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Arizonas ban on ethnic studies

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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89
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Its up to the students and parents,if you want more diverse ethnic studies classes go to your school board and demand them,mexican american studies came to be in arizona because they were demanded..schools didnt just start one day with the course penciled in for no reason..


Why do you feel like you are entitled to Mexican history class in America?




posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by ViperChili
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What demonstrable "negative impact" is there on mexican students?

They are free to learn about their heritage at home. School is not the place for social awareness studies.


School is not the place to learn social awareness studies?! That is exactly the place to learn that. What, do you suggest we remove everything from school except math and science?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ViperChili
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What demonstrable "negative impact" is there on mexican students?

They are free to learn about their heritage at home. School is not the place for social awareness studies.


School is not the place to learn social awareness studies?! That is exactly the place to learn that. What, do you suggest we remove everything from school except math and science?


I believe we should remove seperatist ideals from classes because it leads to hate.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatitanimulli

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ViperChili
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What demonstrable "negative impact" is there on mexican students?

They are free to learn about their heritage at home. School is not the place for social awareness studies.


School is not the place to learn social awareness studies?! That is exactly the place to learn that. What, do you suggest we remove everything from school except math and science?


I believe we should remove seperatist ideals from classes because it leads to hate.


What you call "separatist", I would call "inclusive". Anybody can take these classes, they are not restricted to Hispanic people. Do you think taking a foreign language in school is "separatist"?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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Are hispanics not catered to enough in this country? Is that your problem?

There is nothing wrong with teaching Classes that actually are important instead of the touchy feely classes a certain segment of the population believes everyone needs.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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But school is a place to learn,if you were here to witness just how passionate these students are about maintaining their education you wouldnt be so closed minded..Students are protesting because they want to learn and at the end of the day the government just doesnt want them to..



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatitanimulli

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ViperChili
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What demonstrable "negative impact" is there on mexican students?

They are free to learn about their heritage at home. School is not the place for social awareness studies.


School is not the place to learn social awareness studies?! That is exactly the place to learn that. What, do you suggest we remove everything from school except math and science?


I believe we should remove seperatist ideals from classes because it leads to hate.
no restricting subjects from schools because lawmakers dont approve of ethnic studies causes hate,i never saw a protest that consisted of blacks or asians demanding that a certain ethnic study be removed..never even heard of one..



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Yea, I'm sure when they protest they do so only with exercising the 1st Amendment on their minds, and it has nothing to do with race.

Surely you cannot believe that to be the case.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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That had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. If somebody asks you how your day went, do you respond with a number? Everything I have said have only to do with curriculum and liberties. Your responses have everything to do with race. Taking away the legal ability to facilitate any course, no matter how large the demand, is very very very unAmerican.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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I wasnt insinuating that its a racial issue,someone said something about it bieng unfair to other cultures/races when those others arent the ones who removed the course,if any of you want an afro american or german studies or any class for your racial background write letters to the board or meet with board,making the "its not fair" argument is weak.This law is bieng challenged for good reason by more than just mexicans..



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by illuminatitanimulli

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ViperChili
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What demonstrable "negative impact" is there on mexican students?

They are free to learn about their heritage at home. School is not the place for social awareness studies.


School is not the place to learn social awareness studies?! That is exactly the place to learn that. What, do you suggest we remove everything from school except math and science?


I believe we should remove seperatist ideals from classes because it leads to hate.


What you call "separatist", I would call "inclusive". Anybody can take these classes, they are not restricted to Hispanic people. Do you think taking a foreign language in school is "separatist"?




I consider that fact that only one ethnicity is represented to be separatism and it leads to hate.
edit on 9-5-2011 by illuminatitanimulli because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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50 students get together and demand an Introduction to In-Home manufacture of Biological Weapons class.

In your opinion, that class should then be offered?

Just because a small segment of the population demands something doesn't mean those demands should be met.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by ViperChili
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50 students get together and demand an Introduction to In-Home manufacture of Biological Weapons class.

In your opinion, that class should then be offered?

Just because a small segment of the population demands something doesn't mean those demands should be met.


Gee, let me think. Are you asking me to compare a class that teaches a culture of people to a class that teaches how to commit terrorism? That is ridiculous. It is clear by now that you are very racially motivated in your posts. You think it is the right decision to have the law tell our schools what it cannot teach as long as it's related to other cultures.

Then again, I'm all about state sovereignty and, since this is a state law, I'll respect whatever ignorant nonsense they want to pass.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by ViperChili
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50 students get together and demand an Introduction to In-Home manufacture of Biological Weapons class.

In your opinion, that class should then be offered?

Just because a small segment of the population demands something doesn't mean those demands should be met.
This is ignorant..



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89
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I wasnt insinuating that its a racial issue,someone said something about it bieng unfair to other cultures/races when those others arent the ones who removed the course,if any of you want an afro american or german studies or any class for your racial background write letters to the board or meet with board,making the "its not fair" argument is weak.This law is bieng challenged for good reason by more than just mexicans..


So you admit that it is mexicans and not mexican americans. Interesting. You just made it a race issue.
See how easy it is? I said that to make a point. So are you going to resort to calling me names again because you have no valid argument?
I'd also like to point out that there are also mexican AMERICANS that support this law and equality of all ethnicities. I would rather my child learn AMERICAN history in school as it is my job to teach her heritage.
If mexican AMERICANS want to learn their heritage at the expense of everyone else, then everyone's heritage should be represented equally. Otherwise, learn it at home where you should be learning it anyway. It's just lazy on the part of parents that the government should take care of these responsibilities.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Just out of curiosity, does your support of state sovereignty extend to supporting AZ in it's fight against the federal government for trying to enforce its own immigration laws?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatitanimulli

If mexican AMERICANS want to learn their heritage at the expense of everyone else, then everyone's heritage should be represented equally. Otherwise, learn it at home where you should be learning it anyway. It's just lazy on the part of parents that the government should take care of these responsibilities.


How is it at anybody's expense? Anybody can go to these classes and learn about a culture. Who is harmed by this?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89
This is ignorant..


Not quite.


A statement like this is ignorant:



Taking away the legal ability to facilitate any course, no matter how large the demand, is very very very unAmerican.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo


How is it at anybody's expense? Anybody can go to these classes and learn about a culture. Who is harmed by this?


Again, what demonstrable harm would there be in eliminating the class altogether?

None.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Tax dollars.



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