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Arizonas ban on ethnic studies

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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by IamMe14
I see valid arguments for both sides of this, so seeing an intelligent debate on the issue is interesting to me.

What sucks and aggravates me more than anything is seeing "racist" comments, even if they are subtle. People need to start seeing each other as equal humans, period...and not base their opinions of others on where they happen to have been born. This goes for both parties, the "Americans" to the "Immigrants", and vice-versa.

Ultimately, I don't have a problem with any ethnic studies class - even if it's on my tax paying dollars. As someone said earlier, I'd rather pay for education than wars.

And I speak as someone born in California, with ancestry from Puerto Rico. I grew up in a poor neighborhood in So. Cal and from 2008 to 2010 I lived in Phoenix, AZ..I'm well aware of what's going on there. AZ has bigger problems to deal with than eradicating ethnic studies.
i hear ya! thanks for the imput




posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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Im with you, I wish half of the people on ATS would listen to UKIP Nigel Farage when he talks about how important heritage, patriotism is and not blending in just to appease. You want to learn about other cultures "WIKI IT", you are in the United States of America and though I am half Iranian I love the USA and cannot stand to see its culture and roots be eroded by other immigrant and or non nationalist hating morons...

cia



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by sonofliberty1776
 


Im with you, I wish half of the people on ATS would listen to UKIP Nigel Farage when he talks about how important heritage, patriotism is and not blending in just to appease. You want to learn about other cultures "WIKI IT", you are in the United States of America and though I am half Iranian I love the USA and cannot stand to see its culture and roots be eroded by other immigrant and or non nationalist hating morons...

cia
explain to me what american culture consists of.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Arizona's blind hatred is going to end up hurting them in the long run.

I mean when do you draw the line between ethnic studies and world history?

As far as I'm concerned I think we should sell Arizona and all of its citizens to the Mexican, Chinese, or some oil rich Middle Eastern country.

I am not sure why the people of Arizona are on such a high horse. What have they ever contributed to this country anyway? I think that just might be the problem, it's a state full of mediocre people who are angry at the world because of their own lack of substance.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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I consider this to be progress, this should be done everywhere. Being proud of your heritage is one thing but ethnic studies has no place in our schools. I think it separates and puts certain ethnic groups in a category. It favors a certain group such as Hispanics. If they are going to have a special class for hispanic kids then they better have a Italian American, French American, Russian American, German American class too. But that would be stupid. But on another note the schools need to be more truthful about America's bloody history and the wrongs it has committed instead of the watered down version. It needs to be revised, our curriculum is still behind the times imo.
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89Whats american culture?video games?big macs? obesity? debt? porn? not exactly educational..


What's Mexican culture? Tacos? Obesity? Debt? Corruption? Drug cartels? Poverty?

You really have no idea what you're talking about, if you weren't aware. Your English is also atrocious.

You come in here trying to preach tolerance, and yet you respond with idiotic hatred and ignorance like your reply above. And you expect anyone to take you seriously? Sorry, you're an ignorant, uneducated bigot.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89
i hear ya! thanks for the imput


Imput? Are you serious?

You really shouldn't be given any choice in what you should and should not study. You are barely literate as it is. It's laughable that you think you know anything about history and education, and it's even worse that you want to plan out your curriculum.

You do realize you are going to be at a severe disadvantage if you continue on this path, don't you?



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776




I didn't take your money,
I see you are going to devolve this to the realms of a spoilt 6 year old, I love it.
I would hate to live in the abject terror you and your cohorts must dwell in.
The new threat of Mexicans must be an extreme shock to you, I know I nearly
crap my pants when I see a Mexican, I mean Mexicans in Arizona


I mean you are the worst poser on the face of the Earth

SON OF LIBERTY

You should change to sonofgermany1936

Fences, Barbed Wire, Papers, militarism...

Sons Of Germany

posers are the folks who advertise the pose in the name,

Patriot Act
Military intelligence
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by VicDiaz89
i hear ya! thanks for the imput


Imput? Are you serious?

You really shouldn't be given any choice in what you should and should not study. You are barely literate as it is. It's laughable that you think you know anything about history and education, and it's even worse that you want to plan out your curriculum.

You do realize you are going to be at a severe disadvantage if you continue on this path, don't you?
lol so i misspelled one word,relax,not all of us live in front of a pc like yourself,and i have to say that youre radiating more ignorance than i know what to do with but if youre willing to debate im always up for a little challenge, BUT PLEASE READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO BRING AN ARGUMENT BACK FROM THE DEAD..



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by VicDiaz89Whats american culture?video games?big macs? obesity? debt? porn? not exactly educational..


What's Mexican culture? Tacos? Obesity? Debt? Corruption? Drug cartels? Poverty?

You really have no idea what you're talking about, if you weren't aware. Your English is also atrocious.

You come in here trying to preach tolerance, and yet you respond with idiotic hatred and ignorance like your reply above. And you expect anyone to take you seriously? Sorry, you're an ignorant, uneducated bigot.
You have no idea what american culture is,nor do you understand anything about culture,its so easy to see that you were never taught about culture or heritage,to you ignorance may bliss but in my thread its UNACCEPTABLE.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by keepinmysoul
reply to post by VicDiaz89
 


Equal time for all 'studies'. What the kids in this country need are studies on 'american culture'. Persons/children from other countries acan get their 'cultural' studies from their parents and relatives.
Also, reading, writing and math should be the subjects taught to all students. And if they have an extra period put them in another science, biology or math class.
Thats what has happened in this country! We have got away from the basics.
My children are american/mexican btw so I do look at it from both sides.
Have a great Anerican day!


Hmm. For instance my wife is Hispanic/Mexican American. Born and raised in the United States/California. Knows little spanish, heck I know more spanish then she does. And she works with many mexican's legal and illegal. But she gets flack all the time because they insist she has to know spanish because she is hispanic? That she acts "white" lol. She pretty much says no thanks im American and proud to be. But it does get under her skin sometimes. Some seem jealous i dunno. She did not have to grow up in a ramshackle shack and struggle as much as many Mexican's have. That seems to be the sentiment with many Mexicans from my experience and hers. It's like some fella from Italy telling me i need to learn Italian because my grand parents came from Italy. It's absurd and counter productive. It seems that is the sub agenda with many Mexican folks usually the illegal ones. The legal ones are more humble from my experience. Good hard working kind people that want to be one of us. Then you have the anti american types that want to turn the USA in to Mexico... it's true. And that is the problem imo. You embrace America and assimilate to be one of us or you should leave. Not me or anyone else should bend over backwards and change my way of life for any other country.
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by VicDiaz89
i hear ya! thanks for the imput


Imput? Are you serious?

You really shouldn't be given any choice in what you should and should not study. You are barely literate as it is. It's laughable that you think you know anything about history and education, and it's even worse that you want to plan out your curriculum.

You do realize you are going to be at a severe disadvantage if you continue on this path, don't you?
lol so i misspelled one word,relax,not all of us live in front of a pc like yourself,and i have to say that youre radiating more ignorance than i know what to do with but if youre willing to debate im always up for a little challenge, BUT PLEASE READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO BRING AN ARGUMENT BACK FROM THE DEAD..


No, it wasn't just one word. It is much worse than that, actually. In fact, I can barely understand half of your posts.

Listen to some advice that might help you in the future. Like, when you need to get a job.

You are woefully uneducated. I can tell by the way you write. You shouldn't concern yourself with "ethnic" propaganda. You are too ignorant to be able to sift through the bull# and will become easily brainwashed. Learn some basic literacy skills before attempting to pontificate on the kinds of studies to which you should be entitled.

Also math will help, too.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by VicDiaz89

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by VicDiaz89Whats american culture?video games?big macs? obesity? debt? porn? not exactly educational..


What's Mexican culture? Tacos? Obesity? Debt? Corruption? Drug cartels? Poverty?

You really have no idea what you're talking about, if you weren't aware. Your English is also atrocious.

You come in here trying to preach tolerance, and yet you respond with idiotic hatred and ignorance like your reply above. And you expect anyone to take you seriously? Sorry, you're an ignorant, uneducated bigot.
You have no idea what american culture is,nor do you understand anything about culture,its so easy to see that you were never taught about culture or heritage,to you ignorance may bliss but in my thread its UNACCEPTABLE.


See, this is what I mean. I haven't given you any evidence to come to any conclusions about what I do or do not know. Yet you somehow formulate this fantasy in your head that I "have no idea what american culture is."

You are ignorant and uneducated. You are prone to cognitive biases and logical fallacies. You are displaying these problems in nearly every post you write. You are not qualified to make decisions on the educational needs of anyone, much less yourself.

Go back to school and focus on things that actually matter. Then, maybe, you will be able to fully understand and dismiss the propaganda you find in cultural studies.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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The powers that be might just get the race war they have been pushing for since at least the 1960's in the era of the FBI controlled KKK and COINTELPRO



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by EndtheLie
The powers that be might just get the race war they have been pushing for since at least the 1960's in the era of the FBI controlled KKK and COINTELPRO


Probably not

this is the same thing that has gone on since the dawn of tribalism

there is a version of this in every country, everyone thinks their scourge is a special case

Hell, the Mexicans hate the Salvadorians and sounds like the folks on this thread...

It is human nature, natural bias and upbringing



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by EndtheLie
The powers that be might just get the race war they have been pushing for since at least the 1960's in the era of the FBI controlled KKK and COINTELPRO


If there ever was a race war it would be a very small one, small unorganized pockets of groups fighting one another in the streets at best. Mostly gang members and perhaps milita men. It would be a very small and short one with no winners. It would take place in the southern states most likely. Maybe AZ, Texas, NM But the national guard would handle that if it got out of hand. The majority of people would not participate and just take a detour to work or McDonalds. They would stay at home maybe troll certain ethnic groups. It would be a cyber race war lol.

Machete was a good movie



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by SunYu
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I am so sorry you are so full of anger - America is a country of immigrants (except for Native Americans). Granted there are some folks here illegally and that does stress communities and government budgets - but these are human beings we are talking about. Rather than being so hateful to people, put that energy to use and work to make a positive change - but don't take it out on immigrants, legal or not they all just want the same things our ancestors did when they first came to America.


This is not about being an immigrant or a nation of immigrants. I have Scottish ancestry but do you see me demanding the schools have special HomEc How to Make Haggis Days? I want at least a poetry reading day for Robbie Burns. Anyway, the real reason these classes are being taught is to undermine American sovereignty and to take back the Southwest.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Your posts are all the evidence i need,not one of them have contained a worthwhile statement regarding the topic,i can care less about your attacks on my education or my literacy,your spewing ignorance like theres no tommorow yet i managed to shove that aside and accept what i hoped would be intelligent debate,i now see that your just another jackass trying to waste my time.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Anyway, the real reason these classes are being taught is to undermine American sovereignty and to take back the Southwest.


What a load of hog wash

Do Mexicans make you quiver in your panties?

honestly



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Anyway, the real reason these classes are being taught is to undermine American sovereignty and to take back the Southwest.


What a load of hog wash

Do Mexicans make you quiver in your panties?

honestly




Reconquista and promotion of Che Guevara is a huge part of this drive to have multiculturalism. Otherwise there would be classes on how to make Haggis too.

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