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Should birth control be covered by universal health care?

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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Are you guys for real?
I saw these and frankly at first just shook my head but this one idea:



though, if we changed some other things up in big ways that managed to allow all people to keep more of their own money, I feel said methods WOULD be available to all, even if not provided via taxpayer dollars


Said to me hey, may be this quote:




Women can very easily avoid pregnancy by keeping their legs closed. Much cheaper in the short, mid and long terms.


might not be such a bad idea and very empowering to women all over the world.
Ladies, I say why not? Get your Smith & Wessons, guard the door and say no more!
The world would change in one week, then we can get on to real business.
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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by DaWhiz



Women can very easily avoid pregnancy by keeping their legs closed. Much cheaper in the short, mid and long terms.


might not be such a bad idea and very empowering to women all over the world.
Ladies, I say why not?


Well the same end could be accomplished just as cheaply if only men would cut their own testicles off. And think of all the good THAT would do in the world in terms of lowering aggression, crime and war.




posted on May, 9 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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Naw, let them suffer just a little.
That's too much even for me.





And think of all the good THAT would do in the world in terms of lowering aggression, crime and war


although, this is something to ponder. hmmmmmmmmm
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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Not unless they provided for men's birth control and not women's.


And by that logic, no treatment for testicular cancer, or ovarian cancer, etc., should be covered either. After all, those diseases only affect one gender. Not both.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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Pregnancy should not be treated as some sort of disease or sickness. Isn't it ironic that the same people who shout to others to stay out of their sex lives throw a hissy fit whenever they are demanded to pay for their own birth control?

Birth control is not 100% effective. You really want to decrease the number of illegitimate children? Start treating all adults (women especially) like they are actually adults and stop acting like they are helpless children who can't take care of themselves without government handouts.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by solargeddon

I am truley shocked that it is not free in the US, how on earth is this empowering women ?!


Giving handouts to women as if they are helpless children who can't control themselves or pay for their own birth control....how on earth is THAT "empowering" (idiotic term to describe birth control) to women?


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posted on May, 10 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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I see you guys are having a serious conversation here but. I was reading this thread and a song was on the radio. Brad Paisley I'm still a guy.

I just have to say, I think its awesome all you cute girls are using birth control.

Having said that, I'm still a guy.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by HarmonicNights
Start treating all adults (women especially) like they are actually adults and stop acting like they are helpless children who can't take care of themselves without government handouts.


The funny thing about this statement, it seems its actually geared to help people that generally fail at life. I know many working women with children. They are just above the cut off line for assistance yet they need it more than anyone. Its almost better off being unemployed as a woman with a child.

You're saying the people taking advantage of the system are; Non adults, acting helpless, can't take care of themselves and children (children is last, its very close to non adults). It comes down to the person's ethics/morals. I think your assessment of their intelligence is off base. Why work and get less? Isn't logical.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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The entire premise is insane.

Under what principles must one operate to even consider taxing the majority's labor so that a minority of the population can enjoy the convenience of unprotected sex?



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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Hey, all women should just say "no", right? I'm sure the men will love that suggestion. Let's be fair, women keep their legs closed, men keep your penis in your pants.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 03:52 AM
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Unfortunately, teens are having a lot of unprotected sex. They can't afford birth control. Planned Parenthood helps provide these services, well, it will untill it is totally defunded by the government.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:15 AM
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In the UK, contraception is free mostly (I can't think of a type that you need to pay for), but I think it should be available for free everywhere, for the purposes of procreation and regulating hormones. Also, to go with this universally free contraception, there should also be education on the practices of safe sex made available to everyone too.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
In the UK, contraception is free mostly (I can't think of a type that you need to pay for), but I think it should be available for free everywhere, for the purposes of procreation and regulating hormones. Also, to go with this universally free contraception, there should also be education on the practices of safe sex made available to everyone too.


Hey, I have a great idea.

Let's just make everything free to everybody.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:11 AM
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What so you can just screw around as you like and to hell with the consequences? I in no way stated that everything should be free for everyone, but if you're going to make contraceptives free for people, why not educate them on what they do and what they are for? Whats wrong with that?
Or are you one of those people who doesn't use protection because 'you don't like the way it feels'?



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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I think the answer to this should depend on whether the society is in danger of extinction from either over or under population they should act accordingly. Should it matter that every 90 seconds a woman dies in childbirth and America is number 55 in the world when it comes to maternal mortality? I think yes we should support womens use of birth control by offering to pick up the tab.


Want to guess who else is on the list for women's rights violations? The United States. Lumped with countries like Sierra Leone, Nicaragua, and Burkina Faso, women in the U.S. die regularly and needlessly, often thanks to partially criminalized abortion services, lack of sex education, and domestic and sexual violence. Amnesty's report explained that maternal mortality is responsible for the death of an estimated 50,000 women around the globe each year — in other words, the death of a woman every 90 seconds. Considering that we're one of the wealthiest nations in the world, you'd think we'd have handled the care of our own women by now. Wrong. The U.S. has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the Global North. One-third of all pregnant women — or 1.7 million women — suffer each year from pregnancy-related complications. Hundreds of women die each year. [corrected] Poor women, Native women, and immigrant or other non-English speaking women are, perhaps obviously, the most affected. Should it really take being included in a worldwide human right's violation report to take this seriously? Domestically and internationally, women deserve better. Period.news.change.org...



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Wait, here's another great idea.

I think porn should be covered by universal health care too.

And while we're at it, I think hookers should be covered by universal health care as well.

If I run for POTUS and promise this, I'm getting a ton of votes, FYI



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by MindF

Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
In the UK, contraception is free mostly (I can't think of a type that you need to pay for), but I think it should be available for free everywhere, for the purposes of procreation and regulating hormones. Also, to go with this universally free contraception, there should also be education on the practices of safe sex made available to everyone too.


Hey, I have a great idea.

Let's just make everything free to everybody.



I agree.
Contraceptives should flow like water fountains of Viagra, everywhere and in the village square.
You might think I'm joking but I'm being dead serious. Would you rather pay for someones birth control or would you rather pay to feed and treat the resultant child with social programs designed to help the disadvantaged mother? You will educate him and if he becomes unruly or unwanted and a delinquent you will pay societal damages and eventually you will probably pay to keep him supported in jail.
One way or another you are going to pay - either pennies now or many, many thousands of dollars later. You can make that choice right now.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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No it shouldn't. But if it were, wouldn't that make Margaret Sanger proud, considering that she came up with birth control (and Planned Parenthood) in order to control and eventually end the population of blacks and other "less desirable" people.


"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population" - Margaret Sanger


The Truth About Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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Bla bla bla, ok so some are intelligent, think ahead and some are selfish idiots that I could resume what they say with : IT'S MY MONEY

I also bet those against sharing are the richest ones.

You capitalism fools disgust me with your brain washed ideology that it's your freedom, you have been manipulated by people way richer then you and this is how they keep the chains on your intellectual freedom.

Wake up! Can't you see this is what is keeping humanity from evolving beyond war, poverty and injustice?

Edit : I am sorry about using those kind of words, I'm just a bit pissed atm
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posted on May, 10 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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Yes, it should be covered, after all are we the tax payer not paying already for the millions of welfare mothers and children that are born because the mothers had problem "closing the legs' like many already had posted

What is more expensive to the tax payer welfare for life or a monthly birth control to avoid welfare children

People needs to grew up and understand that a women that takes pills are been more responsible about their reproduction rights, than one that just spend their life wasting tax payers money on welfare children most of them just to keep leaching the welfare system.







 
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