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Should birth control be covered by universal health care?

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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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The CDC's budget is only around $10 billion - there are much bigger fish to fry!

Kidding (sort of). Regardless, communicable diseases and pregnancy can't really be lumped together as like beasts. Someone not buying birth control for whatever reason is not going to result in an outbreak of pregnancy in those surrounding them.

Then again, I'd also be willing to pay as much for various vaccines that I might need as I do on my own birth control needs...I think you over-estimate the number of us who would be dead if the government weren't seizing our money for this purpose instead of letting us spend it directly ourselves...it IS still our money paying for these vaccines, yes? There are drug companies and researchers not employed by the government?

Just food for thought.




posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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yes but the way he made it sound, it was as if NO healthcare Including CDC should be government paid. The CDC is a form of health care organization is it not? Also if these private companies created a vaccine for a highly contagious disease, would you simply want it to solely go to the highest bidder or be provided to all? I personally would want it for all, who knows what someone that was saved by it might do to better the future what what vaccine he/she might create for the betterment of the world.. Otherwise they just die.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by TheBirdisDone
 




but I feel safe, reliable family planning methods should be availiable to all.

Great, PAY FOR IT. Don't ask me to.
you can pay for the pills or the handful of kids upbringing on wellfare. its cheaper for the pills trust me
and thats all i have to say in one post but it don't use two lines
edit on 9/5/11 by Aceofclubs because: add some filler



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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In his perfect world, no one would pay taxes, and everything would be privately ran.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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yes but the way he made it sound, it was as if NO healthcare Including CDC should be government paid. The CDC is a form of health care organization is it not? Also if these private companies created a vaccine for a highly contagious disease, would you simply want it to solely go to the highest bidder or be provided to all? I personally would want it for all, who knows what someone that was saved by it might do to better the future what what vaccine he/she might create for the betterment of the world.. Otherwise they just die.


Gotcha, sorry for not following. I'd have to say the CDC is justified under the general welfare and necessary and proper clauses so good-to-go there.

Privatization is a mixed bag for me. I don't like anyone getting left out in the cold (and in this case I can find constitutional approval for gov't handling), but the constitution does also allow for patents and exclusivity in some cases. I do NOT agree with price gouging in any circumstances, but I can agree with private companies receiving sole initial benefit for the sake of stimulating further private-sector development - if not allowed otherwise and the government doesn't come up with something useful on its own, would you rather something earthshaking *never* gets developed? Two sides to this coin.

On a side note, this is one of my personal gripes with abortion and the like...who's to say we aren't aborting some of those who may have the ideas needed to make this world a much better place...the next Gandhi, King, Franklin...? Too much unknown, I hate always suffering from internal contradiction and uncertainty.

Oh well, c'est la vie.

Sidenote: your wife is a great artist, but that pic is somewhat terrifying. Is it a zombie elf from Half-Life or what exactly?

edit on 5/9/2011 by Praetorius because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Second, I would still say no. Women can very easily avoid pregnancy by keeping their legs closed. Much cheaper in the short, mid and long terms.

You do realize it takes TWO to make a baby??? Maybe the guy should wrap is pecker and she should keep her legs closed.


Additionally, some religions are anti-birth control. Should their taxes be used to subsidize a practice they oppose?


Should my taxes go to welfare recipents who abuse the system while others who really need it don't?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Yes I do think it should.

It is not free everywhere at health departments like some have mentioned, it depends on where you live. I do think BC should be available to those who want it and it should be more affordable. I know before I had insurance it wasn't cheap!

Personally I am allergic to it, tried many different forms and it makes me sick to my stomach. I am also allergic to latex which really sucks but I am unable to have kids of my own now due to my endometriosis condition but I still like to practice safe sex. There are other alternatives.

I know some say it shouldn't be free or part of universal health care but like you pointed out Viagra is available. So it's ok for the guy to be able to get it up but it's not ok for both parties, esp the women, to be able to keep from getting pregnant and having a child they don't want nor can afford if they are too lazy to use a condom?

I feel there would be less unwanted pregnancies if it were available.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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You do realize it takes TWO to make a baby??? Maybe the guy should wrap is pecker and she should keep her legs closed.

Dingdingdingdingding! It does WONDERS for my stamina...sometimes I feel cheated though when she gets worn out before...well, you know.


Should my taxes go to welfare recipents who abuse the system while others who really need it don't?

I say NO!



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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I agree with you totally. And it was some sort of dark prisoner type thing she was going for.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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YES!

And so should abortions.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Personally I am allergic to it, tried many different forms and it makes me sick to my stomach. I am also allergic to latex which really sucks but I am unable to have kids of my own now due to my endometriosis condition but I still like to practice safe sex. There are other alternatives.

I recommend trying Lifestyles Skyn condoms. Latex alternative and VERY nice so far (waiting for the other shoe to drop, has to be a trap here somewhere...)


I know some say it shouldn't be free or part of universal health care but like you pointed out Viagra is available. So it's ok for the guy to be able to get it up but it's not ok for both parties, esp the women, to be able to keep from getting pregnant and having a child they don't want nor can afford if they are too lazy to use a condom?

I don't think Viagra should be funded with tax dollars either, but conversely on your other point if women have the choice to 'do what they want with their own bodies', I think men should have the choice to be responsible for the child or not - no offense, ladies, but if you get to call one side of the field, the other half should get to call the opposing side.


I feel there would be less unwanted pregnancies if it were available.

True, perhaps, but there are ALREADY plenty of affordable options out there for women to address this issue. Lack of due diligence or self control does not a social healthcare issue make.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Well, OK...wait. WTF are you talking about with the dark prisoner thing?!

Maybe I just got distracted somewhere or the OE's just kicking in...



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Aceofclubs

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by TheBirdisDone
 




but I feel safe, reliable family planning methods should be availiable to all.

Great, PAY FOR IT. Don't ask me to.
you can pay for the pills or the handful of kids upbringing on wellfare. its cheaper for the pills trust me
and thats all i have to say in one post but it don't use two lines
edit on 9/5/11 by Aceofclubs because: add some filler
I should not be paying for either. If you can't afford children, don't have them. Start thinking with the head on your shoulders instead of the other one.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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No, viagra should not be covered either. Take personal responsibility. Stop stealing from my pockets.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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I can't really describe what she draws it's beyond me to tell you the truth.. How much does the pill go for these days anyways?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
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No, viagra should not be covered either. Take personal responsibility. Stop stealing from my pockets.


It really pisses me off that Viagra is considered treatment for a medical problem.

But I fully support birth control and abortion - - - because we DO NOT need any more unwanted children in this world.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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I can't really describe what she draws it's beyond me to tell you the truth.. How much does the pill go for these days anyways?


Oh jeez, my edit. Sorry about that, I thought you just went totally sideways on me.

Not sure, I'm fairly certain my girlfriend said the health department provides it for free here (Oklahoma). Not sure how much a monthly course goes for otherwise.


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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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It is probably different, state by state then. I would think..



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Just a side note to the discussion as I was researching this topic.

LATimes: Medicaid Covered Viagra for Sex Offenders in 14 States

Nearly 800 convicted sex offenders in 14 states got Medicaid-funded prescriptions for Viagra and other impotence drugs, a survey by Associated Press shows.
Most of the cases were in New York, Florida and Texas.

The article is from 2005 but still makes me upset!



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Are you one of those who complains about wearing a condom? Seems so from your statement..

A women getting pregnant is BOTH parties fault not just the women and men who cry "oh it doesn't feel right" because they have to wear a condom are irresponsible and so are the women who fall for it! Do you think we can't feel the difference? Yes we can but we don't complain about it like men do...Before I found out I couldn't have kids I used condoms..I still do even though my chances of getting pregnant are like 10%, I am not taking a chance on something i am not ready for financially and mentally.

Would you rather have decreased sensitivity or 18yrs of financial responsibility for a few mins of pleasure? take your pic?! If you get the latter don't complain


I have ZERO sympathy for people who get knocked up because they wont use protection and if BC being free to people helps from having unwanted pregnancies, babies from being killed because they aren't wanted, children being abandoned because they aren't wanted then I am ALL for it!

Look at the big picture. I don't like my taxes going to half the welfare recipients in the state I live in but there is nothing I can really do about it is there? We aren't going to like everything our money goes to but I look at the end result with this issue..in the end it saves children from being unwanted or killed. It will also lower abortion rates which I do feel is a matter of choice but it shouldn't be used as a method of BC either...so you see giving out free BC and putting it in the bill helps in many ways.



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