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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by RickyD
Well thankfully here in the US it is our right to own as many firearms as we please. As per our constitution 2nd amendment you have the right to bear arms...in the plural and no where in there does it say you can bear arms if you have permits or register them or any limitations in fact it doesn't even say those with criminal records can't own them. So in my opinion this new law breeches the rights of all US citizens. Criminals will always have guns laws or no laws but for law abiding people it's not lookin so good. If you live in Mass. I guess you better stock up and get grandfathered in!


just because you have the right to do something, doesn't make it the right thing to do. your constitution was written on hemp paper, why cant you grow hemp? hm? you can have AS MANY GUNS AS YOU WANT. but don't grow this plant, its bad for you.


Or this?




posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman
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Yes you are, being agreeing with a law that restricts the rights of others.

Gotta love it.


not once did i state in this entire thread that I agreed or disagreed with the law. What I have been saying is that (in my eyes) owning more than 10 guns is preposterous and unnecessary.

I'd rather see the money people are spending on their fear/little D@&K syndrome go towards people that are suffering NOW. instead of buying your 11th gun. donate that money to those that need it.



So what is it that you are stating then?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Sounds like he is saying people with lots of guns are scared and have a small penis. So we should give our money to crackheads instead.

edit on Mon, 09 May 2011 16:43:14 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Sounds like he is saying people with lots of guns are scared and have a small penis. So we should give our money to crackheads instead.

edit on Mon, 09 May 2011 16:43:14 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)


If there was a prize for "Best response of the Day", you would get it.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OUNjahhryn
 


Yes you are, being agreeing with a law that restricts the rights of others.

Gotta love it.


not once did i state in this entire thread that I agreed or disagreed with the law. What I have been saying is that (in my eyes) owning more than 10 guns is preposterous and unnecessary.

I'd rather see the money people are spending on their fear/little D@&K syndrome go towards people that are suffering NOW. instead of buying your 11th gun. donate that money to those that need it.



Such an elitist mentality as well.
Because you know best, right? What a joke.
With the purchase of a gun, a gun sales company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping product company makes a profit and pays its employees and a gun manufacturing company makes a profit and pays its employees.
This just helped more people then just handing over my money to the nanny Govt, where they will funnel it through bank bailouts, TARP, kickbacks and maybe the poor guy will see $2 of the $1000 I just spent.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Massachusetts the bastion of the knee jerk reactionary emotionalist. The Neo-Stalinist will be "makin it in Massachusetts"!



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OUNjahhryn
 


Yes you are, being agreeing with a law that restricts the rights of others.

Gotta love it.


not once did i state in this entire thread that I agreed or disagreed with the law. What I have been saying is that (in my eyes) owning more than 10 guns is preposterous and unnecessary.

I'd rather see the money people are spending on their fear/little D@&K syndrome go towards people that are suffering NOW. instead of buying your 11th gun. donate that money to those that need it.



Such an elitist mentality as well.
Because you know best, right? What a joke.
With the purchase of a gun, a gun sales company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping product company makes a profit and pays its employees and a gun manufacturing company makes a profit and pays its employees.
This just helped more people then just handing over my money to the nanny Govt, where they will funnel it through bank bailouts, TARP, kickbacks and maybe the poor guy will see $2 of the $1000 I just spent.



this is my final response for those of you who seem so "concerned" with my views..

I don't think me wanting money being spent on starving children rather then an 11th gun for your collection makes me an elitist. an idealist and compassionate individual yes. elitist. no.

And for the person who said something about "don't tell us how to spend what little money the government leaves us" or something. If you have the money for 10+ guns, im sure your not hurting for cash...

oh and all those things you quoted me on. I never said I disagreed with the law in question. ie the topic of this thread in case you forgot. but if you would like my opinion on all guns laws. I think guns are unnecessary cowardly tools of death and should be destroyed.

As far as your constitutional rights go. You should be more worried about your freedom of speech than owning obscene amounts of firearms.

Somehow this has been turned into a debate about owning guns at all. Which I stated (in one of the posts you didn't quote) that i don't care if you have guns for hunting. i don't know how many times I have to say it before you will stop ignoring it.

I have expressed 2 views on guns in this thread which may have lead to confusion. my first view

1. guns for hunting is fine but 10+ is stupid and a waste of everything. this is my realistic scenario view.

my second view.

2. all guns should be destroyed. This is my utopian idealistic scenario view.

I hope that clears it up and you guys can stop trying to make me sound like a fool for disagreeing with you.

oh. and as far as the whole samurai thing goes. I said the samurai code. look up Bushido code. I meant morose fighting with honor and rules of engagement. example. introducing yourself because the other person has a right to know who will kill them or who they will kill.

if you have anything else to say. start a rant thread about it.

peace.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Hmmm, lets see..... I bought my first gun with my own money when I was 12 years old, I am 29 now. A lot of years I have spent collecting all my tools. There is no one gun fits all, you need the right tool for the right job. You don't go out and plink at a moose with a .22, and you don't hunt squirrel and rabbit with a cannon... Just because someone has a lot of guns, doesn't mean they are rich or something.... If you take care of your tools they will last a long time.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OUNjahhryn
 


Yes you are, being agreeing with a law that restricts the rights of others.

Gotta love it.


not once did i state in this entire thread that I agreed or disagreed with the law. What I have been saying is that (in my eyes) owning more than 10 guns is preposterous and unnecessary.

I'd rather see the money people are spending on their fear/little D@&K syndrome go towards people that are suffering NOW. instead of buying your 11th gun. donate that money to those that need it.



Such an elitist mentality as well.
Because you know best, right? What a joke.
With the purchase of a gun, a gun sales company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping product company makes a profit and pays its employees and a gun manufacturing company makes a profit and pays its employees.
This just helped more people then just handing over my money to the nanny Govt, where they will funnel it through bank bailouts, TARP, kickbacks and maybe the poor guy will see $2 of the $1000 I just spent.



this is my final response for those of you who seem so "concerned" with my views..

I don't think me wanting money being spent on starving children rather then an 11th gun for your collection makes me an elitist. an idealist and compassionate individual yes. elitist. no.

And for the person who said something about "don't tell us how to spend what little money the government leaves us" or something. If you have the money for 10+ guns, im sure your not hurting for cash...

oh and all those things you quoted me on. I never said I disagreed with the law in question. ie the topic of this thread in case you forgot. but if you would like my opinion on all guns laws. I think guns are unnecessary cowardly tools of death and should be destroyed.

As far as your constitutional rights go. You should be more worried about your freedom of speech than owning obscene amounts of firearms.

Somehow this has been turned into a debate about owning guns at all. Which I stated (in one of the posts you didn't quote) that i don't care if you have guns for hunting. i don't know how many times I have to say it before you will stop ignoring it.

I have expressed 2 views on guns in this thread which may have lead to confusion. my first view

1. guns for hunting is fine but 10+ is stupid and a waste of everything. this is my realistic scenario view.

my second view.

2. all guns should be destroyed. This is my utopian idealistic scenario view.

I hope that clears it up and you guys can stop trying to make me sound like a fool for disagreeing with you.

oh. and as far as the whole samurai thing goes. I said the samurai code. look up Bushido code. I meant morose fighting with honor and rules of engagement. example. introducing yourself because the other person has a right to know who will kill them or who they will kill.

if you have anything else to say. start a rant thread about it.

peace.

"All guns should be destroyed", your statement. Thus, taking away the rights of others to own them.

Sorry, but that is as anti-gun as it gets

You thinking that giving away money is better, as my choice to buy another gun is a bad idea.
Sorry, but that is about as elitist as it gets.

I know whats best for my money, not you. I know what's best for my house and the items inside.

Go buy another musical instrument. Oh wait, that is money that would be best if you gave it to a starving child.


What a crock.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

I think the law should be "if you own more than 10 guns, get rid of most of them"



Which is why you live in Canada. In America we believe in inalienable, natural rights. The second amendment is a wonderful thing and I will own as many guns as I want to. I would expect nothing less from a big government, progressive utopia like Massachusetts.

My question is... who decides what "most of them" is? How many is most of them? Which ones can I keep? The only people effected by gun laws are law abiding citizens. Criminals break laws (hence the term criminal).


lol i live in Canada because I was born here. If i was born in the states I might have a different view, but bad education systems do that to people...

I don't know how a gun is a "natural right" i didn't know guns grew on trees.


I'm not faulting you for being from Canada. It's not specifically about guns, it's about freedom. All rights are natural, meaning that they come from God, or if you don't believe in God then all rights come from being a natural born human being. Rights do not come from government, contrary to what the socialistic government of Canada or the Progressive movement of the United States would tell you. In America, we have the Bill of rights. This was written by the people to tell the government what they are NOT ALLOWED to do. The second amendment says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Period.. end of story.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OUNjahhryn
 


Yes you are, being agreeing with a law that restricts the rights of others.

Gotta love it.


not once did i state in this entire thread that I agreed or disagreed with the law. What I have been saying is that (in my eyes) owning more than 10 guns is preposterous and unnecessary.

I'd rather see the money people are spending on their fear/little D@&K syndrome go towards people that are suffering NOW. instead of buying your 11th gun. donate that money to those that need it.



Such an elitist mentality as well.
Because you know best, right? What a joke.
With the purchase of a gun, a gun sales company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping company makes a profit and pays its employees, a shipping product company makes a profit and pays its employees and a gun manufacturing company makes a profit and pays its employees.
This just helped more people then just handing over my money to the nanny Govt, where they will funnel it through bank bailouts, TARP, kickbacks and maybe the poor guy will see $2 of the $1000 I just spent.



this is my final response for those of you who seem so "concerned" with my views..

I don't think me wanting money being spent on starving children rather then an 11th gun for your collection makes me an elitist. an idealist and compassionate individual yes. elitist. no.

And for the person who said something about "don't tell us how to spend what little money the government leaves us" or something. If you have the money for 10+ guns, im sure your not hurting for cash...

oh and all those things you quoted me on. I never said I disagreed with the law in question. ie the topic of this thread in case you forgot. but if you would like my opinion on all guns laws. I think guns are unnecessary cowardly tools of death and should be destroyed.

As far as your constitutional rights go. You should be more worried about your freedom of speech than owning obscene amounts of firearms.

Somehow this has been turned into a debate about owning guns at all. Which I stated (in one of the posts you didn't quote) that i don't care if you have guns for hunting. i don't know how many times I have to say it before you will stop ignoring it.

I have expressed 2 views on guns in this thread which may have lead to confusion. my first view

1. guns for hunting is fine but 10+ is stupid and a waste of everything. this is my realistic scenario view.

my second view.

2. all guns should be destroyed. This is my utopian idealistic scenario view.

I hope that clears it up and you guys can stop trying to make me sound like a fool for disagreeing with you.

oh. and as far as the whole samurai thing goes. I said the samurai code. look up Bushido code. I meant morose fighting with honor and rules of engagement. example. introducing yourself because the other person has a right to know who will kill them or who they will kill.

if you have anything else to say. start a rant thread about it.

peace.

"All guns should be destroyed", your statement. Thus, taking away the rights of others to own them.

Sorry, but that is as anti-gun as it gets

You thinking that giving away money is better, as my choice to buy another gun is a bad idea.
Sorry, but that is about as elitist as it gets.

I know whats best for my money, not you. I know what's best for my house and the items inside.

Go buy another musical instrument. Oh wait, that is money that would be best if you gave it to a starving child.


What a crock.



yeah choosing a fragment out of a chunk of text to better reinstate your point is pretty convenient on the internet eh, completely ignoring the statements above that one.

but since you want me to say it. yeah no one should have a right to bear arms. its a stupid outdated law/concept. you mad? no one should have guns, not you, not me, not military or police. no one. you mad? then go shoot something.

I was trying to be politically correct and somewhat neutral but since you have decided to pick on me ive decided to share my real point of view with you. America is a flawed country with flawed moral ideals. go shoot something redneck.

rawr.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Ahh to resort to the name calling when the chips are down. Like a previous poster stated gun's are tools. For particular jobs you need a specific tool. Do you play drums for a guitar piece? And spare the guns are bad rhetoric, guns are the main reason manufacturing got to where it is.
As to this law, what a crock
Unnecessary intrusion into our private lives. Remember that alot of politicians and celebrities employ armed security even the ones who are anti-gun! A gun is needed to protect them but the "common man" isn't allowed that luxury.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by OUNjahhryn
....people seriously own more than 10 guns? I live in canada and haven't even seen a gun aside from police officers and military...

I think the law should be "if you own more than 10 guns, get rid of most of them"



That is just retarded.. Guns to a lot of people are like shoes to a woman. Or like people who collect knives. Plus they are a good investment. Guns are always worth money if you need it for bills or emergencies.


Deebo
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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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I have to stop reading this thread because of your post. Everything you say, exposes your close minded, sheltered world.

Here's a little story that may make you think twice about your statements.

Two years ago a homeless person broke into my buddies house and commenced to molest his wife who was sleeping on the couch. Mind you we live in a fairly safe and progressive area. This piece of scum, was able to hide as she awoke to go in the bedroom. He then followed her in the bedroom where my buddy, a trained fighter was sleeping, and continued to molest her until he awoke!! The scum ran to the closet, as my buddy leaped from the bed... Jake had him pinned by his throat until the cops came.

Two weeks later he was free from jail. They attempted to press charges to no avail. She admitted to drinking wine that night and her statements were not valid. He said he was drunk and stumbled into the wrong house!!!

6 months ago he was arrested for raping and abusing a young girl! That's the justice system for ya.... Shoot him dead when you have every right! Then its my word against.....who???? One less piece of scum torturing this earth.



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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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Well if we're going to have to be authoritarian pigs, lets make the rule such that if you own LESS than ten firearms, then you will be required to install an alarm system. Those people are the ones who need it the most of course. If you lack any gun whatsoever, then you should have to pay the "sitting duck protection tax" and possibly be required to do community service to make up for the fact that you are not keeping the community particularly safe since you don't have a firearm. Such a law would be vastly more practical in increasing people's personal security since its well proven statistically that the more guns people in a given area have the lower the crime rate. Therefore, tax and register the people who foolishly don't have a gun.

New Hampshire, thanks to the Free State Project, recently passed a law that allowed people to conceal carry a firearm without a permit! Wow, now that is something that makes people safer in real life (as opposed to the imaginary (non)safety that liberals get when they pass anti-gun laws).

The border fence we need in the US is a border designed to keep the liberals in Massachusetts (which very unfortunately borders New Hampshire) away from the nice people of New Hampshire.
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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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Between me and my girlfriend we have 41 guns
21 rifles
10 shotguns
10 pistols/revolvers
3 dogs
very happy very safe family



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Well for small game I use .17, .22, .32, .36 sometimes a .410
medium size 20 gauge, 28 gauge, 12 gauge, 16 gauge, .223, .30-06, .30-30, .38 special, .357 and 45 colt.
large 12 gauge, .30-30, 7.62x54, 8mm, .30-06, .44 mag, .50

So what I own alot of guns I'd never hurt anyone.



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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And for those of you that think musical instruments are better to have around than guns...well could be true...suppose you could whack hell out of a burglar with a Les Paul Gibson electric guitar!

(But if you killed the poor sap would Canada enact guitar control laws?)....Sorry to be so silly...couldn't help it!



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com... mosin nagant rifle will kill just about anything in north america....good luck with a polar bear though



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn

Originally posted by RickyD
Well thankfully here in the US it is our right to own as many firearms as we please. As per our constitution 2nd amendment you have the right to bear arms...in the plural and no where in there does it say you can bear arms if you have permits or register them or any limitations in fact it doesn't even say those with criminal records can't own them. So in my opinion this new law breeches the rights of all US citizens. Criminals will always have guns laws or no laws but for law abiding people it's not lookin so good. If you live in Mass. I guess you better stock up and get grandfathered in!


just because you have the right to do something, doesn't make it the right thing to do. your constitution was written on hemp paper, why cant you grow hemp? hm? you can have AS MANY GUNS AS YOU WANT. but don't grow this plant, its bad for you.


Or this?


Can you link from where the constitution where it is illegal to grow hemp.
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