Originally posted by Symer
reply to post by James1982
Checkpoints are legal as per the special needs exception to the 4th amendment. BTW, like you, I wouldn't be surprised at all if these guys were sent
on their way again after the drivers license was found to be OK, it's not like this is Nazi Germany or anything.
I won't dignify your absurd claim about me liking the Nazi's with a response other than to say I tires me to see them brought up so much. Just judge
something on it's own pro's and cons instead of always dragging Hitler into the debate because his administration did something that is marginally
related to the topic.
Please read up on the atrocities of Nazi Germany, because I don't think you really know what you're accusing people of.
edit on 9/5/11 by
Symer because: spelling
I specifically said in my post "I'm not talking about concentration camps" which I assumed people would understand to mean I'm not talking about
the atrocities of the Nazis. The Nazi party was more than just a war machine going around the world killing people. It was also a party that took an
INCREDIBLE amount of rights away from the citizens of Germany. When people make the "Nazi Germany" connection to America, they don't mean America
is murdering jews, gays, handicapped people, etc. They mean the American government mirrors quite accurately the powers that the German government
held at the time. Meaning, they could intrude into your life, and basically do anything with impunity.
You say that's not how America is today, but you are sadly mistaken. We as American citizens no longer have any rights. The constitution has already
been done away with. If the government labels you a terrorist, you have ZERO rights. They can do whatever they want with you. You can be illegally
held against your will for as long as they want, you can be tortured, you can be murdered. And there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. Can
you honestly say that is NOT what Nazi Germany was like? Different decade, same tactics and treatment.
I've done plenty of reading about the Nazis and their atrocities, thank you. Which is why I refuse to sugar coat the state this country is in. Name
ONE single thing in the Nazi's bag of tricks that the US government doesn't also do RIGHT NOW? Just one thing that doesn't have a mirrored action
by the US government.
Don't reply to my assumption that you would be happy in Nazi Germany if you don't want to, but I'll stand by that. Judging by your post you seem to
prefer (the illusion of) safety over freedom. You prefer people to be stopped illegally and treated like criminals over freedom. You said so in your
post. So don't act like I'm just making things up. You're the one that said it. And if you actually read what I said, you would notice I did NOT
say you would Like THE Nazis. I said you would like LIVING IN Nazi Germany. They treated their own citizens the same way the American government is
There is no middle ground or sliding scale that says how much freedom is OK to take away. Unless you are convicted of a crime your freedom and rights
should not be violated in ANY way, shape, or form. Checkpoints are doing just that. Saying they are OK leaves the door open for taking away ANY
freedoms without cause to be deemed OK. I will not accept that.
As far as the reason why I, and many other people, draw a connection between America's government, and the government of Nazi Germany is because
it's true. What else would you compare the Government to? The German government during WWII had an incredible amount of power over it's own people.
Their rights were completely taken away, and people were investigated and imprisoned for no reason at all, just like today in America.
The American government has yet to match the Nazi's in the number of people murdered, but we are getting pretty close. But as far as the political
environment of Germany during WWII, America is spot on. You, and I, have no right. We live out lives at the complete mercy of the government, just
like German citizens did. The comparison is there, whether I, or anyone else draws the lines connecting the two.