posted on May, 18 2011 @ 06:37 AM
@curious7... Yes, there's religion, and then there's truth; there's the copy, and then there's the original. I can't just ignore that Jesus rose
from the dead, because he made statements, did things, and affected civilizations such that I had a decision to make about his claims. If being good
is all that matters then there was no point to Jesus coming for the expressed purpose of dying. Whether the religious belief is on the extreme of
"salvation by good deeds" or "salvation for everyone regardless of deeds or beliefs" (Universalism), it ignores the central facts of what Jesus
came to do and what he said. If he didn't live, die, and rise again, there is no Christianity as the Bible defines it.
@hopeforeveryone... When it comes to people having other people's beliefs rammed down their throats, nothing beats evolutionism. It's everywhere,
cradle to grave. Some college profs (at least one in public) that anyone doubting Darwin is not to be permitted to take their courses. It's a
religion like any other and the most aggressively proselytizing, with the possible exception of Islam. By law we all must learn it unless we can
afford private schools. It acts, smells, and walks like a religion in every sense of the word.
In contrast, the Bible says we all are to spread the Good News that Jesus put a "down payment" on conquering death, suffering, and the sin that
started it all, and be reconciled to God simply by asking. It wasn't meant to be just another religious club with sacred buildings, clerics, rituals,
and micromanagement; I've written extensively about the ways in which most of church history is at hopeless odds with the NT, and you can read about
it at the links in my sig. But this "wolves in sheep's clothing" problem was not unexpected; the NT itself tells us that as soon as the apostles
died the church would be scattered and ravaged, and only a few would find "the narrow way", not based upon "gnosis" or elitist mystical knowledge,
but on an appeal to eyewitness testimony and free personal choice.
Too many Christians mistake **our** motivation for spreading this Good News as a scare tactic and battering ram; they dangle sinners over the fires of
hell and offer a kind of "fire insurance" policy instead of a restored relationship with God. There is a heaven and a hell, a place with God and a
place away from God, and since all that is good comes from God then being away from God is logically a bad place. There are details about that which I
hold to personally but scripture is not explicit, but the point is that because I care about other people I will make every effort to tell them how to
be reconciled to God. I don't consider that "ramming" down anyone's throat but merely expressing my opinion in the public marketplace of ideas.
Otherwise, everyone's opinion is being rammed down everyone else's throat. Christianity is not to be denied a place at the table just because some
people misuse it, any more than atheism should be likewise denied just because some people misuse it.