Administration planning $1 billion debt relief for Egypt..WHAT?

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Egyptians hate.. hate.. hate Palestinians. They keep the border closed for their own personal reasons, and the last time the border was over run, they shot at Palestinians.

No one likes Palestinians in the ME, but they love that they annoy Israel.

Originally posted by Doublemint

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
This Prez is way out of touch with the reality of the situation, or being the Citizen of the World that he is, he is more concerned with other people than the USA,

In my opion its really a lose lose situation for him because on one hand the governments must compete on a global level but if he was to focuse on the USA to much only, then the USA gets passed up on the global level and it will become as a third world country. I am not saying that will will live in mud houses or anything like that but what I think what will happen is the other countries such as China keep progressing forward and the USA does not so therefor becoming as a third world country.

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There has to be a balance. When you take ALL the money out, it will then be a 3rd World Country.

It's not that he's focusing on America too much as you put it. It's the fact that he's not focusing on America at all.

Therein lies the problem. He's creating a 3rd World Country all on his own and taking the people down with him.

But after he's finished, he'll write a book, sell it Globally and retire nicely.

How many people will be able to do the same?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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We could just move some Israeli aid funds to Egyptian aid funds.. It's important to keep Egypt on our side, for once I actually agree with Obama....

Egypt will not stay on our side, if they ever really were. This Prez is about building a World Socialist coalition, and in this case doing it under the guise of helping a poor nation out after revolution.
What do you think the Bolshevik Revolution was about? It was about seizing power from the Czars and bringing in World Communism. And unfortunately the banking instiitutions of the West financed it all.

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Yep, you got it man!!!!

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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We could just move some Israeli aid funds to Egyptian aid funds.. It's important to keep Egypt on our side, for once I actually agree with Obama....

We can all have our opinions and a difference of opinion is valuable to a discussion. But, I'll bet that your neighbors losing their homes, jobs, schools, savings and not to mention freedoms don't feel the same.

Never has my father's statement rang so true:

"Look to your own house first. It's where you will spend the rest of your life".

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A Billion$ is alot right? to me and you but to USA economy a billion$ is nothing. How many Billion are they spending on the millitary a year? and compare that to just one billion the one billion is nothing. How much do you think 1 billion$ would make the US economy move as whole? I would be surprized if it moved it by 1%. Thats all I'm saying its really not that much money I agree they should be helping us the tax payers more but it wouldn't benifit them funny how thats works they only interfear with the economy when the want controle or it benifits them.

Originally posted by Doublemint
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A Billion$ is alot right? to me and you but to USA economy a billion$ is nothing. How many Billion are they spending on the millitary a year? and compare that to just one billion the one billion is nothing. How much do you think 1 billion$ would make the US economy move as whole? I would be surprized if it moved it by 1%. Thats all I'm saying its really not that much money I agree they should be helping us the tax payers more but it wouldn't benifit them funny how thats works they only interfear with the economy when the want controle or it benifits them.

Agreed that on the grand scale of things, it isn't much but when the US has so much debt that it can't repay and the taxes are raised to take even more money to satisfy the infrastructure, it's a lot.

8 or 9 billion isn't much either but:

Fannie Mae seeks more federal aid in $8.7B loss

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Originally posted by Doublemint
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A Billion$ is alot right? to me and you but to USA economy a billion$ is nothing. How many Billion are they spending on the millitary a year? and compare that to just one billion the one billion is nothing. How much do you think 1 billion$ would make the US economy move as whole? I would be surprized if it moved it by 1%. Thats all I'm saying its really not that much money I agree they should be helping us the tax payers more but it wouldn't benifit them funny how thats works they only interfear with the economy when the want controle or it benifits them.

That might not seem like much based on the entire economic whole, but think how much that amount of money, and all other foreign aid handouts, would benefit the middle and lower classes of this country if it were instead invested in something that would create economic security four OUR people. What if that billion dollars, and billions more given to Israel and others, were instead invested in building alternative energy plants? Not only would there be a great deal more jobs created to build those power plants, but we'd be that much more independent of foreign oil, and therefore no longer need to meddle in middle eastern affairs, and therefore would no longer need to bribe militant countries to be our patsies.
That is not say that I agree with ANY spending by the federal government that goes beyond the confines of the constitution. I was just making a point that if they are going to spend the money that they steal from us, they might as well use it for something positive.

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Unfortunately lt's not rocket science. Egypt has elections coming up soon.

Obama to Egypt. "You got two choices, 1/ We give you $1b and you let us put our muppet err puppet in.
2/ We spend $1b bombing the s&%t out of you. Cos no way does lsrael want a government next door that it is not in control of."

Reading things like this just infuriates me. Especially with how much we are hurting as a country.

If I had things my way, there would be a constitutional amendment forbidding foreign aid to come from taxes. It is RIDICULOUS to expect taxpayers in one country pay for the needs of another.

I always believed there should be a 'federal charity' of sorts where all foreign aid would be purely voluntary. Citizens could donate to it as desired. It would also prevent forcing taxpayers funding a cause that goes against their personal beliefs. You could donate to the general federal charity pool or you could specify where you want your donations to go.

Enough with stealing from the taxpayer through forced charity AKA foreign aid when we are broke. Is there anything we can do to stop this?

Time to just say no. To all foreign funding.

Not to mention the implications here about being in control of the new regime. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When are we ever going to learn we can't buy friends?

Enough with stealing from the taxpayer through forced charity AKA foreign aid when we are broke. Is there anything we can do to stop this?

I don't know. It's up to the American People when, or if they will do something.

It's their Country and they have a right to fight for it and until they do, it's going to get worse before it gets better. IMO

Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776

A That might not seem like much based on the entire economic whole, but think how much that amount of money, and all other foreign aid handouts, would benefit the middle and lower classes of this country if it were instead invested in something that would create economic security four OUR people. What if that billion dollars, and billions more given to Israel and others, were instead invested in building alternative energy plants? Not only would there be a great deal more jobs created to build those power plants, but we'd be that much more independent of foreign oil, and therefore no longer need to meddle in middle eastern affairs, and therefore would no longer need to bribe militant countries to be our patsies.
That is not say that I agree with ANY spending by the federal government that goes beyond the confines of the constitution. I was just making a point that if they are going to spend the money that they steal from us, they might as well use it for something positive.

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It would be great if they invested that money in alternative energy but I dont see that happening looks like its being left up to the privite sector to do that, which is how it should be. less things owned by the government the better.

If I put up solar panels I pay to put them and repair them as needed and I would be able to manage and do some of the work myself. So there would not be a big draw for lobbiest to pay off politicians and on top of that some paliticians have dealings in the oil industry so they would not want to cut into their profits. The goverment will support the green movement more once someone comes to them with a plan that shows the goverment gaining something out of it. Also if I have solar Panels I can not have my electricity turned off by them flipping a switch.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Time to just say no. To all foreign funding.

Not to mention the implications here about being in control of the new regime. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When are we ever going to learn we can't buy friends?

The US doesn't buy friends. They rent puppets and then cut the strings when it suits them.

It's getting more evident that the trust factor is quickly disappearing throughout the World tho.

This is also quite interesting:

Robert Hormats, the U.S. undersecretary of state for economic affairs, is in Egypt to discuss what form the relief would take: outright debt forgiveness, loan guarantees or debt swaps, which would convert the loan into aid programs, the senior administration official said.

Debt Forgiveness? Not only are they giving more money but now they are saying, that's ok...Don't worry about paying it back.

I guess the Govt. thinks it has enough money that they don't need any more?

I wonder if they plan to ask the opinion of people on the street?

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I was trying to 1.) be nice and 2.) couch it in terms everyone would understand

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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I was trying to 1.) be nice and 2.) couch it in terms everyone would understand

I got that. Apologies if it didn't seem that way.

Mine was also intended to be respectful in kind.

I do agree with your post tho. Good points.

I dislike using the following phrase because it's insulting and people don't want to agree with you after using it, but it fits too well.

You don't understand.
^ if this offends the reader please read the first line above again

You don't understand money.

Money isn't work, it isn't food, it isn't fuel. It's not heat, clothing, housing, or literature. Money is a method of tracking the exchange of these things. These, and things like them. Let's look at America.

A 13.5 trillion dollar debt means that who ever holds that debt gets to own our next round of great inventions. That's all. Nothing more. The reason the markets, the government, and the world are moaning about the debt is not that the debt itself is important or unfixable. Just forgive it.

No, it's important because the American public has turned sour and sulky. Somehow we sense that our futures have been sold, and we have stopped inventing. We have stopped being creative. We feel like we have already worked a hundred years straight and we want our payday now.

But whoever owns all of our debt is peeved off, that we have turned sulky, and is not feeling generous. Instead they are grinding us down to the point of suffering. "If they won't be creative we'll make them wish they had been." With the hopes that a few suffering souls will crack and start selling our great new inventions to the man again.

This only seems to be a secret to we the people, everyone else knows about it. China has actually said, almost 2 years ago now, that they see no solution to the US debt unless we start doing some creative, outside-the-box, old fashioned inventiveness.

Things are getting bad now, cause that ship has sailed.

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So [color=gold]what's all the fuss about Egypt.
Well, just like France after WWII, and just like a ton of African, and South American countries in the decades since. We forgive their debt. We are not interested in them any more. It's sort of like cutting the line that connects their canoe from our ship. We let them drift around on their own now, and steam off to our own destination without them. This isn't going to affect the meals of the passengers on said ship one tiny bit.

If China forgives our debt though, we'll be in a world of hurt.

Lucky for us China still cares very much to sail into the future with America, even if they have to drag us.

US gives China eminent domain over US property



But if any big brains out there actually want to fix the whole situation. You know. for-real this time. By repealing all the predatory business laws and letting inventors actually own their discoveries for decades as the original laws stated... well too #ing bad for you. I already tricked every genius I met into hiding among the poor or doing the wrong #ing thing. Since the 70's mother #er. We saw this # coming. I still can't believe I tricked Steve Jobs into developing The Notepad back in 1978 at that focus group. What a moron. Now everyone who could have invented the digital pen we were on the verge of back then is dead. And no one left really remembers or understands drafting culture anymore.

Isn't it funny that China only wants valuable property. Suck a tail pipe bankers.

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Oh, and you fat asses on wall street. Ha. You did yourselves in by funding abortion and spending millions popularizing it. And while many of the sheep around here don't know what I'm talking about, your demographics people know it's true. True in spades.


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Who's your daddy now you punks.
Better start brushing up on your Chinese
you fat #ing bankers, lawyers, and politicians.


David Grouchy

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You forgot that the bankers and politicians don't have to worry because like you said at the beging of your post the money doesn't matter. anyways if the bankers have done it right they actually own the US' debt because they should own China if they have done it right.

Why am I not surprised? Oh, that's right, obama pledged $2billion to Brazil for their oil instead of putting our people to work on the oil reserves around our country.