Understanding the Appeal of Apocalyptic and other Doom’s Day Styled Predictions and Prophecies

reply to post by GodIsPissed


B***ocks. Your post demonstrates ignorance.

Quite frankly, I was taught to believe in God when I was young, in school and in Sunday School, and I didn't. Why? Because it seemed intellectually ridiculous to my ten year-old mind that God would have us believe that he peopled the planet with so many billions, of all different colours, shapes and sizes, from just two folk, Adam and Eve.

I believe in God nowadays, because i have experienced God. So quit with the ridiculous general sweeping statements when you plainly know ZIP about what it is you claim to have such deep understanding of.

And for the record - your screen name, I presume regarding the Westboro Baptist Church and their ilk? You clearly have a very one-sided view of Christianity. As I said in the post above, I am a believer in the Kingship of Christ, but those folks? I'd be tempted to hog-tie them and drag them behind a truck for a few miles, to show them a taste of their own bigotry and hatred.

They DO NOT represent God, and people like that have NEVER experienced God. And never will, for that matter, until they come to whatever senses they may once have possessed and turn their back on that Hellspawn doctrine.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

However, you have strayed into territory that you are ill-qualified to comment upon. Without a gnostic appreciation of the experience of prophecy, in combination with your deep mistrust of organised Christianity/ religion in general (warranted, and agreed with by myself) you are literally incapable of commenting in a balanced and 'real' way.

Here is where that type of supposition breaks down, you actually have no evidence or proof that I am not the God of the Christian Religion.

For all you know I very well could be. The fact that no one ever stops to question as to whether the unseen person they are discussing things about God with, could be God actually kind of demonstrates how much people actually believe this God to be real.

In fact everyone up to and including John Denver believes it impossible and absurd to think that they would ever meet God or have a two way conversation with him, without having to die first to do it.

While it's true I am not God and first learned at an early age to party like a rock star, the only step up from there was to learn to party like the Gods which I do with them often!

As someone who was brought into an awareness of the Reality of prophecy via a number of dreams that came true within a short space of time - and as someone who has experienced a multitude of prophetic/spiritual dreams yet to come true, which echo the words of prophets through the ages, I am more qualified than your very good self to stand in the breach as an advocate for the phenomenon.

I can one up you, the Gods often communicate with me real time, in order to help me avert death and capture!

The Gods like me more, na-na-na-na boo boo!

Think of the nature of reality as holographic, wherein one 'part' contains all the necessary information to interpret the 'whole' - which it almost certainly is (though that is a highly simplified way of expressing it - I am not bright enough to follow the physics/ maths in full, and offer only a 'lead' for others to investigate at leisure)... Time is a constituent part of reality, and it is now being suggested that it can, under some circumstances even flow BACKWARDS... See the following: For One Tiny Instant, Physicists May Have Broken a Law of Nature

I am well aware that the universe exists as an ongoing mathematical computation being run out to infinity with infinite and random variables.

Trust me I can hit the = key anytime I want. Though I still prefer sweet and low if one must use a sugar substitute.

Proto is no stranger to the astral plane, metaphysics, and inter-dimensional beings and shifts.

I did however not have sex with that woman.

Knowing that holographic theories are well-supported in the world of modern physics enquiry, we can appreciate the fact that some people believe that there are entities in this vast and wonderful universe that literally have the keys to time itself. And no, I'm not talking about this bloke:

Keys what keys

See the following for additional reading on the topic. It is not an exhaustive list, and simply offers a means of accessing a lot of different names of people and groups who are thinking along the lines of what I like to call 'malleable time constructs':

Proto prefers to consult with his Conch Shell, a gift from Vishnu!

Also have a scan over this highly fascinating (and for me personally, paradigm-shifting) point of view, from David Deutsch, a fellow of Oxford University in the UK and a successful 'pop science' author (though his work also appeals to fellow science-philosophers):

You have broken a cardinal rule of the Law of One, you must offer a watercrest sandwich to anyone you invite to read something published by someone from oxford!

In summary - prophecy is real, and it's scientifically acceptable that such would be the case. I'm a 'believer' in the Kingship of Christ, but I don't want to be known as a wishy-washy, non-thinking fundamentalist.

Here is why prophecy is random luck, because the universe is constructed on a ongoing mathematical series of random equations, the entity running out the computation only has to enter one digit to make the best laid plans of mice and men turn out for not.

Once again, I am not criticising you as such Proto, as I understand where your non-confrontational bias originates. Almost all of your theories relating to the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire are entirely accurate. In fact - and here's a little gem of a 'coincidence' - the very existence of a modern expression of that empire was fully espoused in one of my dreams a few years back, which at the time was waaaaay before I had come across AboveTopSecret, or any of the theories regarding the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire.....

Beat you by twenty years and found out fully awake on the astral plane!

Na-na-na-boo-boo!

By the way I appreciate you are looking into things and want to help others do the same, but it really is an assumption to imagine you are better qualified at some things when you have no idea what other's experiences are, but are operating on the premise that yours are unique, special and or accurately deciphered by you.

However, it should be noted that many of the prophecies and predictions that make the rounds of ATS are not based on any of the spiritual origins or communication with the higher self, that you are discussing but rather are based on YouTube videos, unsubstantiated and uninvestigated warnings from new members, and bizarre interpretations of books, and events, that often turn out to be wrong within days.

Do you really want to compare those to what you are talking about?

I hope not.

Oh good luck with the World War III thread, I hope you know we are already in it, and much of it is an information war being carried out for hearts and minds on the media and Internet.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I'm very surprised at your response Proto. I love your threads, and value your opinions. I don't consider myself better than anyone else, and I only wanted to share my thoughts on this topic, as it is dear to my heart.

I apologise if the tone of my post led you to think I was being facetious, condescending, self-righteous etc - it was not my intention at all.

Seems I'm not as good a judge of character as I thought.. Very sorry to see that you are quite immature, despite all your apparent wisdom and somewhat advanced years (in comparison to my own). Is it just that you don't like a well-considered opposite viewpoint to be presented in your threads, even from a fan? I called you ill-qualified to judge the topic merely because you have not personally experienced prophetic phenomena.
Admittedly, I inferred that you have no direct gnosis of prophecy, perhaps erroneously, from the tone and content of your thread. Still, looking it over once more, it seems that I was right. That doesn't mean I was having a go at you, or somehow claiming to be better than you?!

Listen - if for some random reason I felt I had sufficient cognizance of the principles of dentistry that I could perform root canal work on my son, and my dentist ran in as I was poised with the drill in one hand and a British School of Dentistry manual in the other, telling me I was unqualified to perform root canal surgery, I would probably thank him for advising me correctly - after all, I have no experience of dental school!

Similarly, if a mechanic told me that my analysis of what is wrong with my car was incorrect, I wouldn't get all snooty and lahdy-da with him over it - I might get a second opinion, but I wouldn't stoop to the kind of nonsense you've displayed in your response to my post.

The basic point was that I believe that I have experience of prophetic phenomena. I was sharing what I had learned and what I felt to be true. Your response is the most unexpected, snide and immature vitriol that I have ever come across when trying to engage in a thread where I had only good intention towards the OP.

FFS. Never again. Enjoy the thread Proto, and perhaps learn to speak more cordially with people who complement you profusely in their opening comments.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

However, you have strayed into territory that you are ill-qualified to comment upon. Without a gnostic appreciation of the experience of prophecy, in combination with your deep mistrust of organised Christianity/ religion in general (warranted, and agreed with by myself) you are literally incapable of commenting in a balanced and 'real' way. As someone who was brought into an awareness of the Reality of prophecy via a number of dreams that came true within a short space of time - and as someone who has experienced a multitude of prophetic/spiritual dreams yet to come true, which echo the words of prophets through the ages, I am more qualified than your very good self to stand in the breach as an advocate for the phenomenon.

Now go back through Proto's thread and find the part where Proto is claiming to be an expert at anything and knows the end all of the validity of prophecies. Carry on with you bad self.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


On the contrary I was being quite good natured, about your self proclomation as an expert on the phenomenom of prophecy, in my typical jovial way.

While I appreciate the kind comments, I see those quite a bit as a preface to a great big BUT, that always follows.

The truth is no, I don't think you or anyone can establish themselves as an expert on prophecies or spirituality, in the former you would be at the race track or the Casino not ATS in the latter you would be an ascended Master.

In reality I consider true spirtuality to be a personal path, and all about self discovery.

Because it's a personal path and no two paths are or are likely meant to be alike, I tend to not talk about my own spirituality here on ATS but like history I have made quite a study of the world's religions, the vast bulk of them, and like many people have, explored the greater aspect of the universe in my own way in my own time that few might fully appreciate or understand.

Am I qualified to put forward explanations and theories on why people are prone to embrace prophecy, why yes, I am so is anyone who has an opinion on the matter.

Is it all encompassing and correct in every point, that's a personal truth people have to decide.

I appologize if you feel offended by my jovial and good natured response to you, which perhaps you didn't see the humor or good nature in, but nonetheless, if you want to establish yourself as an expert in regards to something, proclaiming that by diminishing another's capacity to even comment, is probably not the best way to do it.

For the records, I do party with the Gods and have a conch shell given to me by Lord Vishnu and positively did not have sex with that woman!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Ah yes, l forgot. from knowledge comes wisdom. That creased me up lol.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Wrong we have Rome's own accounts and things like making pagan gods saints in the catholic church and piggy backing Christian holidays on top of pagan ones.

Like I said, you seem to be confusing forced/coerced conversion from one religion to another, with the creation of religion itself. Those pagans HAD a religion. Religion =/= Abrahamic traditions. There are lots of them.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yule being a great example, celebrated for thousands of years to coincide with the Winter Solstice.

I know all about the incorporation of traditions and holidays from older religions into Christianity. While a good history lesson for those who dont know, you arent supporting your own point. In fact, you are illustrating that religions did indeed exist prior to the march of the big three around the world.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The Hawiaan Monarchy ruled through fear, and war, what did Proto say was the constructs of a nation that ruled and expanded through militancy? Violent gods who demand war, sacrafice and total allegiance to them.

Creepy points for talking about yourself in third person, and where do you get your information about Hawaiian history/religion? I grew up there. We actually not only had the older people tell us, (after all, this was only a few generations back) but we had to study it in school too. The Hawaiian culture does not stand out in any real way for its brutality and violence from any other group of humans.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You keep telling your self that, while you stop by that very Roman looking building to be judged, argue for your Roman created religion, and spend money with latin inscribed on it, praising the virtues of the Roman God, which is actually the Vicar of Christ, God's legal representative on Earth by treaty.

Some roads lead a lot further back than to Rome. You have a very western centric world view. Even though that system is indeed becoming very wide spread, you go to far to pretend that everything about humanity is traceable to it. Including religion. Religion predates Rome by a long shot. And so, all roads cannot go to Rome. Many go much further back in time.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Or swine flu, or AIDS that many believe were introduced by the government releaseing pathogens in depopulation campanign.

Please, I understand you are bent out of shape that I published this thread, but try to grasp at something factual.

You mean like the fact that you are bashing fear mongering with....................fear mongering?

Please, your accusations that I started a thread just for stars and flags says much more about you than it does about me. It was more surprising than anything. I didnt expect such pettiness and whining from you because a thread I didnt even care that much about, and only even started because others wanted to discuss it made it to the front page.

And then for you of all people to accuse me of flag whoring............................yeah. I cant even say, "pot kettle black" because I start so few threads you cant even really call me a kettle.

And then, the person accusing me of flag whoring sends out his typical "pay attention to my thread" invite to me, and accuses me of coming here because I am bitter? Lol. You invited me here. And I couldnt help but come and watch you whine some more because someone else got some stupid flags.

The premise from what i could gather is half people love fear and half buy into this because of religion. Now i know i can only speak for myself but if i want to be scared I have plenty of sci-fi movies for that. And I don't buy into ELE predictions because the bible says nobody but the lord knows when the end comes. But my own experiences in this world shows me life is fragile and catastrophe can be lurking around any corner. So out of alertness not fear I follow and have been duped before, "prophecy" about impending dooms. I cant recall ever being scared from any of the doom threads even the ones I've bought into or it distracting from my normal life( it isn't a escape from day to day life as some accused) I merely stocked up on supplies and kept a mindful eye.

I keep following them because of the "boy who cried wolf" story, which most people take from that you shouldn't be constantly crying danger but i took from it danger eventually came. Sticking with the kids stories would you have called the story about the ant and grasshopper fear mongering. With the exception of a few who i suspect are kids really trying to fear monger, the belief is the doom posters are merely telling you to prepare. I see now harm in preparing even if said catastrophe doesn't happen the supplies gathered could always come in handy for unseen natural disasters like the flooding going on in the states right now.

One philosophy would be that the "prophecies" are actually an attempt to find the solutions to the theory / anti-theory dilemmas before a "visible" solution comes forth. Perhaps a "reverse" Hegelian Dialectic.

problem is, it's always premature. Perhaps caused by the "problem / reaction" circle of confusion with no clear solution until the "prophecy" miraculously comes true.

without conflicting ideas, there would be no end result to predict in the first place.

religious conflicts always produce plenty of ideas to dwell upon while the "prophecies" of the religious beliefs always provide an "answer".

TPTB do seem to be following the ancient "prophecies" as some kind of guideline as those writings are easily conveyed as "truth", and easily "edited" to fit the times.

we see Islam vs Judaism / and vise versa.

we see Islam vs Christianity / and vise versa.

to lesser degrees, we see Judaism vs Christianity / and vise versa.

and we see factions within all 3 in conflict with each other.

what we see very little of is any of the Big 3 vs Buddhism or Hinduism or any of dozens of others.

those others all are "overlooked" when it comes down to the main agendas of TPTB.

if the "religious" aspects were so important, then why is it "OK" for nations who do not subscribe to any of the popular Big 3 ideas to do all the same commerce with the same Central Bank Cartel usually at the expense of the populations of Big 3 believers as well as themselves ?

it is almost like 3 dogs chasing their tails with 3 mirrors facing each other !

a classic Roman Crossroads.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

Like I said, you seem to be confusing forced/coerced conversion from one religion to another, with the creation of religion itself. Those pagans HAD a religion. Religion =/= Abrahamic traditions. There are lots of them.

I have never sad Religion = Abrahamic traditions. Further there is no sense in talking about religions that are not presently practiced. The thread is published in 2011, not 506. Forced conversions to Abrahmic religions though are well documeneted, so are persecutions for not converting. Spanish inquisition a classic example.

I know all about the incorporation of traditions and holidays from older religions into Christianity. While a good history lesson for those who dont know, you arent supporting your own point. In fact, you are illustrating that religions did indeed exist prior to the march of the big three around the world.

I never claimed that they didn't once again todays date 2011.

Yes I am supporting my own point. My point was that Christianity, Judaism and Islam, are very much religions that grew based on violence and forced conversion.

You said that was not true. I reminded you examples of how it was.

Creepy points for talking about yourself in third person, and where do you get your information about Hawaiian history/religion? I grew up there. We actually not only had the older people tell us, (after all, this was only a few generations back) but we had to study it in school too. The Hawaiian culture does not stand out in any real way for its brutality and violence from any other group of humans.

Oh please, do you really imagine you had to be born in Hawaii to understand Polynesian and Hawaiian Culture and History. Nothing like text book school history for a sanatizing of events. I have been visiting and studying cultures for decades.

Hawaii was one of the more warlike ancient cultures.

So far all your arguments have been mere deflections when even your deflections are debunked you start deflecting from your deflections.

Some roads lead a lot further back than to Rome. You have a very western centric world view. Even though that system is indeed becoming very wide spread, you go to far to pretend that everything about humanity is traceable to it. Including religion. Religion predates Rome by a long shot. And so, all roads cannot go to Rome. Many go much further back in time.

Year is 2011, once again year is 2011.

Please, your accusations that I started a thread just for stars and flags says much more about you than it does about me. It was more surprising than anything. I didnt expect such pettiness and whining from you because a thread I didnt even care that much about, and only even started because others wanted to discuss it made it to the front page.

Don't be a child. I stated that people using a plural adjective often do such. That you keep looking for clarification on a plural adjective to incorporate or not incorporate just you, really is just indicactive of someone who insists everything be about them.

And then for you of all people to accuse me of flag whoring............................yeah. I cant even say, "pot kettle black" because I start so few threads you cant even really call me a kettle.

You dig up that quote where I used the word you or anyone specific.

Nice job at making everything about you and wearing your emotions on your sleeve.

And then, the person accusing me of flag whoring sends out his typical "pay attention to my thread" invite to me, and accuses me of coming here because I am bitter? Lol. You invited me here. And I couldnt help but come and watch you whine some more because someone else got some stupid flags.

So far you haven't posted anything that was even remotely correct. I invite all people who select me as a friend and appear on that list to my threads. Occassionaly this causes confusion with people who have interanlized comments from other threads that they have misconstrued as some kind of attack.

Misportraying the thread, and making incorrect statements about religions and cultures to make a poor argument would be on you.

Clearly you have a little axe to grind.

As well as a serious reading comprehension issue.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Don't be a child. I stated that people using a plural adjective often do such. That you keep looking for clarification on a plural adjective to incorporate or not incorporate just you, really is just indicactive of someone who insists everything be about them.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Please, I understand you are bent out of shape that I published this thread, but try to grasp at something factual. ...................................

Did your cat prompt a rediculous conversation on blood types based on one of those dreams?

You are right. Im just imagining your panties are in a twist and that you are taking little stabs at me. And it probably doesnt help that I have pointed out that natural selection, not evil Roman Christians is what has instilled in people the fascination with imagining their own demise. Im more surprised than anything. I certainly didnt expect someone to get so bent out of shape over a stupid thread.

Its not even my topic at all. I only reposted it because several others had tried and failed, due to technical reasons. I was just problem solving, trying to figure out why the mods didnt let the others stay up. I hardly expected you of all people to be so childish over it.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I don't believe nature or God has instilled these things in us, but society and religions ruled and used by men to manipulate us with these things. .........

These things weren't embraced willingly by the masses when they were first introduced, rather they were for the most part instilled by the sword and those millions of first nations people who wouldn't subscribe to them put to the sword and eliminated, as these constructs were gradually made fixtures of familiar and state society over centuries of repitition and powerful and wealthy institutions that simply would not go away and not stop spinning the yarns.

People imagine their own death and doom because natural selection has selected for it. Strongly. Those who can project in that way, can sometimes prevent it via preparation. Those who can imagine famine killing off their whole tribe, can store food. Those who can envision the evil tribe down the road coming in their sleep and slaughtering them all, can set up walls, guards, or even preemptively strike those evil neighbors first and beat them to the punch.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Fear is a great motivator as you have stated. One problem though...it only works on the weakest. On the flipside, its always good to "keep your powder dry" just in case.

Preparedness without fear is always a good rule. Train hard, fight easy.

I always find it interesting how some groups have turned christianity into one of these. Not bashing christians.
Jesus NEVER said "DO THIS OR BURN!!!!!". I have a tendency to freak folks out when asked if I'm a christian. Generally I just say "no...but then again, neither was Jesus". That'll get you some looks

I just tell'em I'm a gnostic (wut? your an agnostic?)

No fear, aint skeered, just prepping...just in case LOL!

reply to post by felonius


I very much agree it's good to be prepared for emergencies and disasters, living in a hurricane zone like Miami, you would be foolish not too.

I take it to the extreme and keep about a months supply of dry goods and emergency supplies on hand.

I usually end up having to give most of the perishibles away every few years before they hit their shelf life to charity, and then replenish them, which ends up being a nice way to help out food drives AIDS Hospices and other charities.

One of the things I love to stock up on are tradeable items that might be in high demand, coffee, sugar, rice, cigarrettes, bourbon!

Ooops looks like the bourbon is running low, gotta run!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts my friend.

I love the comment about Jesus not being Christian by the way. How quickly people forget.

reply to post by xuenchen


Exactly!

The millions of people in those countries seem to be firm believers.They still have holy wars for crying out loud!

The Mayans believed in the gods(aliens?naww)more than anybody.And they're knowledge of the solar system was way better then ours considering they never had the technology(as far as we know)..not to say they predicted the end of the world or anything,I was just using them as an example of how far back and how many people believe in God or the Gods.

So you can call it an "appeal" if you want to downsize it,but I think that term has no depth here.

I think all the dooms day prophecies will die out after 2012 anyway.They will try to come up with another date but no one will believe it because of the 2012.

And aren't you adding fuel to the fire with this thread?I mean,you brought it up.

It's funny when skeptics complain about dooms day threads and then turn around and make a thread about doomsday!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


wow...so now I don't put time and research into my threads?... really?...

Obviously I hit a nerve. Yes Proto, you are a control freak, if predictions don't fit into your preconcieved notions you dismiss them right away, that in itself makes you nothing more than a control freak.

This is interesting to watch, and although it is not the only prediction that Ed Dames has made, and which came to pass, it does show that despite the jealousy of some, and others trying to deny it, Ed Dames has made many predictions that have come true.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Months, it could have been weeks, before it occurred he went on the Art Bell show and said the next use of a nuclear weapon would be done by North Korea, and they would use it on their own soil, and later they would use another nuclear bomb in anger. It happened, at least the first part, as his team and Ed said it would.

He mentioned that a pathogen would infest harvests all around the world, and would start in Africa, and I showed in another thread that this came to pass.

video.google.com...#

'Stem rust' fungus threatens global wheat harvest

New variety of an old crop disease called "stem rust" can infect crops in just a few hours and vast clouds of invisible spores can be carried by the wind for hundreds of miles.

The world's leading crop scientists issued a stark warning that a deadly airborne fungus could devastate wheat harvests in poor countries and lead to famines and civil unrest over significant regions of central Asia and Africa.

Ug99 — so called because it was first seen in Uganda in 1999 — is a new variety of an old crop disease called "stem rust", which has already spread on the wind from Africa to Iran. It is particularly alarming because it can infect crops in just a few hours and vast clouds of invisible spores can be carried by the wind for hundreds of miles.
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www.guardian.co.uk...

Virulent New Strains of Ug99 Stem Rust, a Deadly Wheat Pathogen

ScienceDaily (May 28, 2010) — Four new mutations of Ug99, a strain of a deadly wheat pathogen known as stem rust, have overcome existing sources of genetic resistance developed to safeguard the world's wheat crop. Leading wheat experts from Australia, Asia, Africa, Europe and the Americas, who are in St. Petersburg, Russia for a global wheat event organized by the Borlaug Global Rust Initiative, said the evolving pathogen may pose an even greater threat to global wheat production than the original Ug99.
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www.sciencedaily.com...


There have been several other predictions that Ed Dames and his team nailed, but yes they have failed with some predictions, but as I have said time and again they have nailed so many predictions that imo we should keep an eye on the other predictions he and his team have made.


Killer Crop Fungus Strikes! (Major Ed Dames)

Another of his predictions, which was actually made by his students.

Ed Dames Predictions: Remote Viewers See Economic Collapse

Some of his other predictions include:

He talked about Mad Cow disease, in fact he said a disease that would affect cows would appear, and years later the problem would be so bad that children might not even be able to drink milk anymore.

He talked about Avian flu, and said to have seen birds die in mid-air and tumble dead to the ground, a few months after this the first of this occurrences happened.

He also mentioned that the Sun's activity would increase, and that one of the first precursors before the so called "Kill-shot" would be the "shot accross the bow", which he mentioned to be the most massive solar flare ever recorded would miss the Earth. This happened in 2004 if I remember correctly, and he spoke about this years before it happened.

During the time of the war in Iraq Ed Dames also said that there would be a nuclear detonation done in North Korea as a test by the North Koreans, and they would use another atomic bomb in anger later on. A few months later there was a mayor explosion in North Korea that at first everyone thought could be a nuclear explosion, Ed Dames appeared on CoasttoCoastAM that night and said that was not a nuclear explosion, and was not what his students and him had seen, and he was correct. A year or so later North Korea Detonated a nuclear bomb as a test. This happened in 2006.


He had made several others that also came true, and yes there have been some that did not come true, or haven't come true yet.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Perhaps next time you should use some time to really research a topic before you try to trash it.

I want to know what in the world makes some people think that predictions are "about fear"?... Obviously the people who claim "predicions are about fear" are the fearful ones.

Predictions are about being prepared, not about fear...

I've thought of this in the past, and I think it's deeper rooted than politics, religion, fear, etc.

Consider: Most people are not afraid when they think of these disaster events. They are excited. Why would someone be excited in the face of a disaster? Or even in light of say, a horrible blizzard coming their way? Yet they are. Not just theorists or doomsayers, but your common everyday citizen that might sit next to you at work. They discuss say, an incoming blizzard, and people -want- to hear reports of a heavier snowfall. They want it to be nasty and something to talk about for years. Why? Why do people watch CNN or the weather channel for hours at a time during natural disasters or tragic events? Why don't they do the same for positive events in the same fashion?

In my opinion, it's DNA. It's how we are wired. It's the human condition that while our society is advancing at an astronomical rate, our bodies innate desire and NEED to survive that has gone stagnant, and doesn't know how to respond. As animals, we are as far as evolution goes, still wanting and needed events to occur that challenge us, and make us stronger as individuals and a community as a whole... which is what our bodies have been trained to do for 200,000 or so years.

It's why once a disaster has occurred, somehow people put aside all their differences and hate and trivial modern issues, and as a community.. they survive. They help each other out, and they are not sure why they feel so GOOD about it. Good deed? Sure. But moreso, the bodies reaction for getting to do what it was programmed to do as it evolved.

I think the human desire for strife is more primal and more deeply rooted than modern events. I think modern society brings it out. Not even 150 years ago, humans had to haul large blocks of ice into their kitchen to keep things fresh. Further back, disease was rampant, and creature comforts were few. It will be awhile before our bodies get used to the fact that they don't HAVE to have strife, challenge and hardships to get stronger to survive.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You have clearly convinced me of one thing when it comes to many members who enjoy speculating on predictions and prophecies, and that's the penchant to take what is written and imagine it's saying something completely different, while some how managing to make it all about your self, while attacking anyone who is critical of the wide ranging and baseless speculation as some how being in on the plot or critical of the speculation for some other nefarious reason.

Where you have gotten what you have gotten in my reply to your earlier attempts at this, is beyond me.

But nonetheless one thing that is noticible about people who get into the wild speculation that's involved in a lot of the prediction threads, is there determination to believe that they see some hidden or unspoken message in just about everything.

Another very peculiar thing indeed.

Speculation that's relevant, and reasoned based on motive, and opportunity, is one thing.

Speculation of the wildest kind is another all together.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


My response had nothing to do with speculation, and trying to mask with pretty words your attempt at demeaning everyone who thinks that there are predictions that come true only keeps showing how much of a control freak you are.

Pretty words never had, and never will mask the true intentions of people like you, when you make threads like this one.

If you had actually spent any real time trying to find if there have been predictions that have come true, you would have found many, but since "predictions must meet Proto's preconceived notions" and obviously it is in your nature to have control over your future, you don't want to believe predictions ever come true. You are not the first, nor the last that has erred in this manner.

There are members who make similar threads like yours in regards to ufos, and a myriad of other topics, and such people think they are better than those who think "there is at least some truth in these topics."

You should step down from that general's armchair sometime and see the world in a different light. Who knows, you might discover that you don't know everything, and there are wondrous things under, and above the skies which defy our knowledge.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


"When there is no basis for an argument abuse the plaintiff" - Marcus Tulius Cicero

Indeed this is all you are attempting to do, you could effectively accomplish your point, by saying you don't agree with the opening piece, though many researchers, historians and scholars do.

Why you imagine attempts to slander me will make your lack of a sound argument better is beyond me.

You have a nice evening now.

Thanks.