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Originally posted by 27jd
We are used to a standard of living that must be supported financially, and I support reform, but realistic reform.
When I was younger, in my drug days as you would call it, the LP had a booth set up on Mill ave. in Tempe with a big sign stating "Sign up now to legalize marijuana!" And everybody who signed was registered to vote as Libertarian, theres your proof, take it under advisement or dont, I dont care.
My training cycle is 2 days on 1 day off, cardio warm-up before and cool-down after heavy lifting. If youre trying to get stacked you will probably need to supplement some kind of testosterone pre-cursor, to build muscle. But I dont know what kind of competition you wish to compete in. I wish I had the time and money to compete pro, but I enjoy it has a hobby. I havent missed a workout in 2 yrs. Maybe Im kinda obsessive, but thats off point.
I never said you did, Im just pointing out to you that it has, obviously, or you wouldn't be at the computer dissenting against it. You would probably live under a dictatorship that would crush any opposition like yourself. You'd probably be in prison at best.
Give me some numbers, support your fastest growing theory.
I was actually looking at electoral vote numbers, thats where the 1% came from, not population support percentage, I dont know that, thats why I asked above.
The bat# insanity diagnosis was just my own,
but I'm not a doctor,
maybe he should get that checked out though, it could be contagious, maybe you attended one of his speeches,
Hope there was no excessive quoting here.
Originally posted by 27jd
Maybe Im just afraid to take chances, because of my child. If it werent for him, I would probably be right on board with you.
Its just that, although fast growing as you proved to me, theres no chance of them winning this year, and I really want Bush out, so I will vote for the only person with a chance to get him out.
Ill feel real stupid if he's worse, but it would be hard to be worse than Bush.
Maybe next election, the LP candidate will be better, America will have progressed, and I will vote LP then, but this year, I gotta help get Bush out. But it's been a spirited debate we've had.
I hope maybe next election you do that, America can only get better, with the left and right in continued power the two extremes will polarize and our country will become more divided, in a way this is good for the lp because they will gain more members and support and people will hopefully realise it's the wise decision to make, we need to stand united,the lp does't pull people apart, if you read more into it the party would bring people together, and thats what makes this country great. I too want Bush out, badly, but again, i'm not about to sacrifice my principals on some other scum bag who i don't trust. He already lost his trust with his comrades, I don't see how he could maintain the countries. All the treasonous things he's done, if this were back in the day he would of got his dick cut off. times change, too bad.
Originally posted by 27jd
Yeah, the division in this country is pretty sad. These days it almost seems a bad thing to be an American, we're divided in so many different ways internally, as well as resented at best, hated at worst, in rest of the world. Probably because we make up 6% of the population, use up 40% of the worlds resources, and produce 25% of the worlds trash.
I agree things need to change, but evolution is slow, hopefully it will speed up a bit though, right?
My concern is that overnight change would be extremely harmful, things need to be tested in all aspects of our society, to make sure the plan will work, no matter how good it sounds or looks on paper, there may be factors unseen that could bring chaos, thats my fear.
But dont think I'm brainwashed, that would be incorrect, I'm well aware the government (both parties) are scum, but I want to see an alternative way of governing tested first, thats all.
Originally posted by TrueLies
And don't forget we have like 228 million people in this country, but don't forget millions of these people are from countries around the world who came here to adopt a better way of life. This is a melting pot, it's not just made up of white people who were born here and will die here. It's a mixture of many cultures, many ethnicities, many colors, and many languages. People easily forget this country has people from all around the world using 40% of the world's resources and 25% of the trash. It truly is a melting pot.
Yes it needs to speed up but as long as you have people in office who don't live in the real world like you and me and don't see how people have to live with the laws they set forth, it won't evolve. There is always an agenda behind their decision making, and alot of times it's based off monetary gain.
The political arena is a joke. It's like people sign up for politics because they want to get on the gravy train and hold some real power of people in their lives. That's not reality. Reality is waking up in the morning knowing you have the world at your tail and you don't have to worry about any government legislation putting red tape over certain things. Reality is taking care of you, your family, and community, having financial responsibility where the government doesn't get involved. Having a say in where your going to put your tax dollars not the government and then never knowing where that money is truly going. Reality is waking up in the morning knowing that you don't have to worry about your safety and others because the countries leaders isn't sticking their noses where it doesn't belong, and in this case it's the bush corporation and their oil conglomerate.
I don't think i've ever seen the lp state anywhere that their would be overnight change, indeed that would be harmful, you can't shock a nation and expect it adhere to the new principles just like that. It's a steady operation that needs to be put in place slowly that people can adjust without worrying. I'd like to know what kind of factors are in your head that bring you fear for the future. I fear for the future if kerry or bush get in power because both sides wants to take care of you and want to dictate to you how to run your life because they see it as the "better" way, that's not freedom, I don't want to live by some retard's rules who hasn't lived in the real world at any point in his life. Their administrations they've put together are scary, meaning the people they've appointed to their cabinet. Both sides scare me, instead of focusing on just one person's politics, we need to know that there are people working with him in the shadows who want favors done, who want certain things a certain way, and that us people are the ones who are going to have to live in their world, and if it's a stinky decision we're the ones who are going to have to live in the #. .
Ok, your not brainwashed just mislead by lies and pretty pictures that have been painted for you. I know you know both parties are scum, but I also think your smart enough to know the consequences of voting for either party, you voted lp before, and I think you've been fed abunch of bs by kerry co to get him into office. Everybody up high wants favors done for them, everybody is willing to make those favors come true because they've been slid a # load of money. This isn't what politics should be about and thats why i'm not voting for either of them, I want my kid (if I had a kid) to grow up in a world where they are trusted to make their own decisions not have some guy who sees himself as a prince tell him/her how it's going to be and how much they need to pay because mr prince put the country in billion $ worth of debt. .