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What do you like about Badnarik?

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posted on Jul, 31 2004 @ 10:24 PM
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I've seen alot of people on ATS talk about how they're going to vote for the Libertarian candidate Badnarik. I'm curious, what do you find so desirable about him? What makes you think he would be preferable to Bush or Kerry? Is it a protest vote?

Before you ask, yes I've been to the website. I just want to hear it from Badnarik supporters.




posted on Jul, 31 2004 @ 10:36 PM
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Well first off, he supports actual change in our national government, not pointless spending or rampant taxation (or tax cuts for that matter).

He would be the best president for the economy, and here is why. America is stuck in a hole. We have the highest standard of living on average in the world. The only problem is that all of the jobs that fund that standard are leaving because people overseas have lower standards of living and are willing to accept less pay. Now America is stuck, we have two choices, take a pay cut and keep our jobs while lowering our standard of living (dammit I can't have 3 cell phones....) or keep our standard of living for a few more years (like 10-15) while the support is falling out from under us. Badnarik supports lowering the minimum wage which would allow for real entry level jobs and give small businesses a break. Also he would cut government spending. Look at his essay:

badnarik.org...

Well thats all I have to say :-)



posted on Aug, 1 2004 @ 06:30 AM
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What I like about Badnarik can be summed up in the following slogan from his website:

"I'm Michael Badnarik, and I trust YOU to run your own life."

Bush and Kerry are essentially the same, aside from a few minor issues (which many people are led to believe are major issues). Change will be negligible if you vote for either of them. Badnarik, and the Libertarian party as a whole, advocate a return to a free America, where the government's power is limited to what the founders of the country deemed appropriate.

The Democrats and Republicans have become too entrenched in government, and the only change either will make will be to grant themselves more power over us. I, for one, will not allow myself to become a subject living under the president's good graces.

I believe Michael Badnarik will work to put the power back into the people's hands, where it belongs.

[edit on 8/1/2004 by PurdueNuc]



posted on Aug, 1 2004 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by lockheed
He would be the best president for the economy, and here is why. America is stuck in a hole. We have the highest standard of living on average in the world. The only problem is that all of the jobs that fund that standard are leaving because people overseas have lower standards of living and are willing to accept less pay. Now America is stuck, we have two choices, take a pay cut and keep our jobs while lowering our standard of living (dammit I can't have 3 cell phones....) or keep our standard of living for a few more years (like 10-15) while the support is falling out from under us. Badnarik supports lowering the minimum wage which would allow for real entry level jobs and give small businesses a break. Also he would cut government spending. Look at his essay:

Well, playing Devil's Advocate here, how is lowering the minimum wage going to help us? Many minimum wage jobs go unfilled, or to those who illegally cross our borders because they are not enough to support a family on. Everything would have to fall into place, the cost of housing, food, everything in order to live on today's minimum wage, much less a lower one.

This is not the first time that sustaining-wage jobs have left America. The textile industry and the steel industry come to mind. We have adjusted and survived.

Anyway, enough of that. I have heard bits and pieces of the libertarian platform relating to drug usage. What is their philosophy regarding drug usage?




posted on Aug, 1 2004 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Anyway, enough of that. I have heard bits and pieces of the libertarian platform relating to drug usage. What is their philosophy regarding drug usage?


Well, regarding drug usage:


Libertarians would like all Americans to be healthy and free of drug dependence.

(Libertarian Party Brochure)

However, regarding drug legality:


It's time to re-legalize drugs and let people take responsibility for themselves. Drug abuse is a tragedy and a sickness. Criminal laws only drive the problem underground and put money in the pockets of the criminal class. With drugs legal, compassionate people could do more to educate and rehabilitate drug users who seek help. Drugs should be legal. Individuals have the right to decide for themselves what to put in their bodies, so long as they take responsibility for their actions.

(ibid.)

So many people complain about their rights being infringed (Patriot Act, gun control, gay marriage, taxation, etc.), yet they are quick to violate someone else's rights because what the person is doing is "evil." How hypocritical. If someone wants to use drugs in the privacy of their home, and as long as they do so responsibly, that's their decision, not mine.



posted on Aug, 1 2004 @ 07:56 AM
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How come every time I learn something else about The Shadow Party I just freak. Absolutely FREAK!

I'm starting to take LP very seriously. Like 2012 end of the world seriously. And all this time, I thought it would be the Republicans! And the Republicans thought it would be Hillary!

Oh no, it's those sneaky Libertarians just under the radar.


[Edited on 1-8-2004 by RANT]



posted on Aug, 1 2004 @ 08:44 AM
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Anyone who's taken a basic course in microeconomics should understand why a minimum wage (price floor) is an inherently bad thing. Let's take a look at the following figure:


(www.cr1.dircon.co.uk...)

Wages is on the vertical axis, and quantity of workers is on the horizontal axis. At any given wage, there is a given demand for workers (the higher the wage, the lower the demand, as other alternatives become better), and a given supply of workers (the higher the wage, the more workers who want to earn that wage). Where the supply and demand lines meet is the equilibrium point; free of outside constraints, the market will naturally end up at that point, and it is the best for all parties.

If the minimum wage is set above the equilibrium wage, the supply of workers will be greater than the demand for workers, hence resulting in unemployment. Therefore, the government must establish other programs to try to reduce unemployment (which is going to increase taxes and raise the cost of living). Left to its own devices, the market will naturally come to the point that best serves all parties involved in the market. Minimum wage sounds good on the surface, but when you dig a bit deeper you'll soon discover that it's not.

Please see the link above for a more detailed (and better) description.

The beauty of the free market is that if a company is not paying what workers believe to be a fair wage, the workers will leave and go somewhere else (or go on strike in the case of a union). In other words, demand will be higher than supply. The company will have to raise its wages in order to attract workers and stay in business. The government meddling with the market is never a good thing.

[edit on 8/1/2004 by PurdueNuc]



posted on Aug, 1 2004 @ 09:32 AM
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I pretty much agree with most of what the others have said, and would like to add that if we ever wish to return to a truly free socitey they are the only hope.

the current group just play games using one segment of the country to strip the rights from another then turn around and use the other segment to strip rights from the first side.

Drug laws and gun laws are a good example.

What is hard for most to accept is that for YOU to be free your NEIGHBOR must be free also.

another thing is business has gotten a bad rap and in some cases for good reason but the bottom line is most companies move over seas because its easier and cheaper to do business there than here.

I have owned my own business before and I can tell you the government is not your friend, unless you are enron or halaburton.....LOL

The government is a parisite it does not create ANYTHING it just lives off the works of others. If you create a business friendly enviroment jobs will multiply if you dont they will fall its as simple as that.

The more people with jobs even 4-5 dollar an hour jobs the more money pouring into the economywhich will createw more jobs which will FORCE companies to raise rates to retain the best people.

The ONLY place I disagree with SOME not all Libertarians is I think the Government in some form, privitized would probebly be better, still assist the TRULY disabled, those who through disabilties cannot work, if you can and just dont want to......starve.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 12:01 PM
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Basically, the guy runs the world. But in true Illuminati tradition, you'd never know it to look at him.


Nor would the untrained eye even see it in his vanilla bio.
www.badnarik.org...

But I've been up a while drinking coffee and I'm seeing things much clearer now. For the restricted forum only, I submit your Illuminati Master.

[Corrections in brackets]

Michael Badnarik - A Short Biography
Pronunciation: Bad nr' ik
(a as in "ago", as in "car", i as in "is")

[Googling "ago-car-is" first returns a 1952 Studebaker StarLight from Lake Geneva painted Venice Red. Recently sold. The Illuminati approve.]

Personal/Educational:
Born August 1, 1954 [under the Illuminati banner of Revolutionary French cyclist Louison Bobet rewinning the Tour De France] in Hammond, Indiana. Parents, John (retired from the oil-refinery and steel-mill industries) [Duh!] and Elaine (a retired executive secretary), still live in Indiana in a house they built when Michael was two years old [on an Indian graveyard]. Two younger (but much taller) [hetero] brothers, Chuck and Steve; both married [being the straight ones] and living in neighboring Midwest states (Southfield, MI, and Aurora, IL, respectively) [unlike "confirmed bachelor" Michael].

Joined the Cub Scouts at age 6 [undercover] and began marching in Independence Day parades [now marching in any parade he can find: FNORD], where later as a Boy Scout he carried the American flag (a task that he undertook with great dignity and respect) [while setting ablaze]. Achieved the rank of Life Scout and missed his Eagle badge by only three merit badges [because Eagle Scouts aren't allowed near real power]. Served as assistant Scoutmaster in Bloomington (in college) [that's just creepy], and as an adult Scout leader for a total of ten years [off the chart creepy, still single right?]. (Cites his favorite part as helping Scouts to achieve their Citizenship merit badges) [and reading them Alister Crowley poetry].

Enrolled in 1972 at Indiana University in Bloomington [located at 399'44" North; 8631'45" West, or the Hub of Enlightenment as proven by manic numeric Illumination correlation representing the coordinates as seperate components multiplied, reversed than divided (119970/15444) equaling (1)7.76 aka (1776) or 7.77 the numerical representation of man's potential] as a Marine Biology major [seeking Atlantis] (with dreams of sailing the oceans with Jacques Cousteau) [ah ha ha, he really said that; sorry]; later switched to Chemistry as a more practical career path [for making pipe bombs to spread his anarchist vision].

While in college, served as volunteer [double agent] for American Red Cross and as an Advanced First Aid instructor, CPR instructor, Water Safety Instructor trainer, and chairman of the Bloomington Volunteers and Disaster Action Teams [to get acquainted with response times to perfect his specialty: a second larger bomb for first responders].

Hobbies include photography [blackmail] (including darkroom developing) [porn], camping, sailing, canoeing, mountain-climbing, scuba-diving1 (starting at age 12), skydiving2, hang-gliding, snow-skiing1, shooting1 (pistol, rifle and bow-and-arrow) [assassignation] and motorcycling [your basic James Bond Illuminati stuff]. He also enjoys exploring all types of [secret rooms in] museums and libraries [to unravel the Davinci Code in his quest for Ultimate Power].

Became interested in the U.S. Constitution in 1983 and began a life-long journey in self-study of this founding document of the country he is so proud to call his home [and sworn enemy].

Professional:
Became a Computer Programmer in 1977 for Commonwealth Edison at their nuclear power plant in Zion [this is TOO EASY!], Illinois; taught control room operators about computers [and hygene]. Was promoted to Senior Software Engineer for their Braidwood Nuclear Simulator project, which he managed from '82-'85 (his favorite job assignment, basically a $6-million "computer game" for which he was totally responsible). [Totally].

Moved to Montebello, CA, and held a "secret security" ["secret" in quotes makes it's sinister implications "cutesy"] clearance at Northrop to work on the Stealth Bomber simulator, '85-'87 [training Muslim extremists].

[Was fired and] Relocated to San Luis Obispo, CA, in 1987 as a System Administrator and computer trainer at PG&E's Diablo Canyon nuclear plant; spent 10 years as a member of the Applied Technology Services Team writing software [viruses] and traveling the state installing real-time data-collection servers [spyware] to their remote power stations; was an instructor for hundreds of employees teaching state-of-the-art systems being installed [and recruiting his vast Internet Army of Discord].

Moved to Austin, TX, in 1997 where he was a programmer and a trainer for Evolutionary [anti-Creationist] Technologies International. He quickly became the Senior Trainer and began traveling across the U.S., and to Canada, England and Australia [making crop circles everywhere he went], as instructor, consultant and "high-tech diplomat" [to the Reptilians].

Became an independent computer consultant in 2001 [downsized], but began to turn his attention (and talents as an instructor and communicator [propaganist]) to teaching his 8-hour [brainwashing seminar] "Introduction to the Constitution" class.

Political:
Was elected Executive Vice-President of his dormitory at Indiana University [ah ha ha, sorry], and became a BMOC ('big man on campus') known for getting things done [with ruthless efficiency], while always maintaining the high principles instilled by his parents [Oil and Steel].
Was put-off by the "politics of politics" [turned away by both Democrats and Republicans] until his greater understanding of the Constitution [Illumination] led him to [be tapped for] the Libertarian Party [Illuminati], and a renewed optimism [for world control].

Libertarian candidate for Texas House of Representatives (Austin-area) in 2000 [lost] and 2002 [lost again!]. Made official announcement as a candidate for the Libertarian Party presidential nomination on February 17, 2003 (Presidents' Day) [under the Illuminati headline of NWO owned Time Magazine's cover "The Secret of Life"] and traveled over 25,000 miles across the U.S. in the 15 months [25,000 / 15 = 1666.666] leading up to the Libertarian Party National Convention in Atlanta [symbolized by a Phoenix being reborn of fiery destruction] and his nomination victory on May 30, 2004 [the 136th anniversary of Commander in Chief John A. Logan of the Grand Army of the Republic issuing General Order Number 11 designating May 30 as a memorial day "for the purpose of strewing with flowers or otherwise decorating the graves of comrades who died" in the name of revolution for revolution's sake].

He will be the death of us all.


[Edited on 2-8-2004 by RANT]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 12:42 PM
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Well Rant, I'm all for giving the Illuminati a try then. Under the Republicans or the Democrats, I'm a criminal. Under the Libertarians (or Illuminati if you insist), I'm not. That makes it a very simple choice for me.

I guess I'd rather be an Illuminati minion than continue to be a victim of the current system of Republicans/Democrats.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 12:52 PM
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why i would choose Badnarik over Kerry or Bush and who cares if he is illuminati or not, i have accepted the fact that all people in power are influenced by one group or another, be it skull and bones, freemasons or illuminati.

i can relate more to Badnarik's stance on issues than with either Bush or Kerry. Bush is living in a world and America totally different from what i see and experience, whenever i hear him speak he seems quite out of touch of this reality...yes Bush keep telling us "The American People are safer" we believe you


and Kerry just doesn't seem to have the presence required or the conviction needed to be president.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 12:53 PM
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Everybody deserves a conspiracy theory. Even Badnarik.

Or maybe especially him?


I'll stop kidding around though. Before I give Bush any campaign ideas.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by RANT
Just a joke Ambient.
Everybody deserves a conspiracy theory. Even Badnarik.

Or maybe especially him?



Hehe. I know. Just getting with the spirit of it. I may have to change one of my avatar titles to "Illumninati Minion" though.




posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 12:04 PM
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He's not the left that proclaims the righteous people are here to help the middle class workers get cuts, or tax increases for the wealthy because they are mean greedy selfish people...

He's the not the right that proclaims to tbe the self righteous helping the self employed man middle upper class get tax cuts, and tell the poor to get a job and make it on their own.

He's for everybody, America is the land of the free shouldn't we be voting for someone who actually believe this? yes. so I am.

Abolish income tax for everyone instead of just picking and choosing and targeting a specific social group isn't the answer. Party politics isn't the answer, the truth is the answer, and itrusive government isn't the answer, if you have been taken care of yourself for all these years why not vote for somebody who thinks you can take care of yourself. I'm sure as hell not voting for bush or kerry because I don't believe in someone running my life and thinking i'm too stupid to do it.
I don't need hand outs, or government assistance, i don't need someone spoonfeeding garbage making me think it's in my best interest if I just eat it up.

I also believe that we shouldn't be involving ourselves in other countries affairs, unless we're under attack, the majority of our debt has to do with sticking our noses where it doesn't belong and then having to pay for the decision out of our taxpayers pockets. I don't believe thats fair, and I don't believe it should continue, thats why i'm voting badnarik.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 12:05 PM
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Unelectable....Here's why....

Go up to the average Joe on the street....

Ask, "What do you like about Badnarik?"

Answer:

Badna-what?



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 12:11 PM
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And you can thank mainstream media for not being fair and balanced. FOX doesn't deserve that name, CNN doesn't deserve that name, NBC, ABC, CBS.
None of em.

Apparantly 80% of reporters would want Kerry to be president over Bush. Source: Gallop.

So why would mainstream dummies know who Badnarik is, they've been living in their two sided cave and know nothing else. I give many kudos to the people who have taken the time out to do their own research and ask questions to find true answers instead of listening to some bubble butt on television put his spin on the issues.

We live in an apathetic time with apathetic people who just don't care, it's our country and it's our responsibility for making sure it's steered in the right direction. If people don't care which they do, eventually this ship will crash and they'll have nobody to blame but themselves.
And i'm staying off that ship...



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 04:23 PM
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What do I like about Badnarik?

1. If you say his name fast, it sounds like Bad Nark.

2. He will never be President.

3. The party he represents will never be anything more than a lunatic fringe, as exemplified by many of the posters in this thread.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 04:31 PM
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And that's why you have a picture of Hillary Clinton... I guess corruption and fraud gets you further because you have mainstream media and loco people on the left side bitching about how every other party is nuts except them.

All I gotta say is whitewater and inside trading... Oh yeah, and susan mcdougall...

I like Micheal Badnarik because he's not a phoney scum bag like Hillary and he's not a sexual predator like Billy.

What logic you have... WOW....



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by donguillermo
What do I like about Badnarik?

1. If you say his name fast, it sounds like Bad Nark.

2. He will never be President.

3. The party he represents will never be anything more than a lunatic fringe, as exemplified by many of the posters in this thread.


Well, seeing the response that the Libertarians have gotten, and the quality of input that they are putting into the Campaign 2004, I think that "lunatic fringe" is way out of line.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 04:53 PM
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People who support Hillary Clinton will see everybody else as lunatic, but in reality I believe it's unconscious self projection. anybody that could support a leader after corruption, lies, and abuse of the political and state attorney powers has a screw loose. I personally don't get it, but then again I'm apparantly part of the "lunatic fringe"...

Wooo! Hilarious ain't it.



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