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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
reply to post by firepilot
Why would you want a grid anyways? Do you think cropdusters spray in grids? Do you think insect control is done in grids? No actual spraying with aircraft like those uses a grid system.
Your examples have the intention to cover the entire ground area.
For weather modification they could spray in grids, because these trails waver out and fill in the open areas. It´s not the same thing, and you know it.
Flight plans are not neccesarily all straight lines, unless ATC grants a direct clearance to destination, and you have a GPS to get you there.
So you are saying that planes go out of their way, and make large detours, just so they can fly these corridors that interect at 90 degree angles, even if it´s not really the direction they need to be going in?
Btw, Bonez and you, as usual. Only that Stars dude now, and the team´s complete. You guys are really passionate about what others think.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Can you explain why clouds didn't move in the picture then?
I say it is a static photo, period. The photo proves this by having stationary clouds, moving sattelite or not the clouds would have moved/dissipated/formed...
Maybe I should stick around? Passing off static photos as evidence, doesn't seem very above board...
Originally posted by Uncinus
...It's not meant to be a real image, it's a "visualization".
reply to post by firepilot
Well if some planes go south, and others are going north..well what do you think would happen?
Do you find it nefarious about street systems being in grids too, often with 90 degree angles?
The only kind of weather modification flights are cloud seeding, and no, it does not involve grids whatsover.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Third lines are for more information: I have asked that first question 3 times now, why use a "photoshopped" image as evidence? The ones in the OP have both the originals and the "shopped" versions. Yet when the refuters come, it is manipulated images for the defence only.
All well, I wish I knew more about this subject. I smell alot of fishyness in this thread, but I do not have the required data to "fix" the problem...
Originally posted by Uncinus
When planes fly, their positions are constantly recorded by air traffic control, so we know where whey went.
Originally posted by Uncinus
This information is just a lot of numbers. However you can use those numbers to draw lines on a map that show where the planes went. This creates an image. It's just a picture that shows where the planes went.
Looking at this image, you can see that the paths of the planes cross. So the image is very useful for explaining why contrails sometimes cross, or form grids.
Originally posted by Uncinus
... Check it out, zoom in, you'll see lots of places where paths cross.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Originally posted by Uncinus
When planes fly, their positions are constantly recorded by air traffic control, so we know where whey went.
You assume to much. From this statement all we can assume is that Air Traffic Control knows where they went. We know what Air Traffic Control tells us.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Originally posted by Uncinus
This information is just a lot of numbers. However you can use those numbers to draw lines on a map that show where the planes went. This creates an image. It's just a picture that shows where the planes went.
Looking at this image, you can see that the paths of the planes cross. So the image is very useful for explaining why contrails sometimes cross, or form grids.
Really? What times did those planes fly over? How soon after one another? What days? Same day?
Seriously? You expect me to look at a time lapse "image" and assume that the grid I see was formed becuse planes flew over the area a month ago, or maybe 6 months! Who knows, since that DATA is not on the FAKE image. (Emphasis not yelling)
Originally posted by Uncinus
... Check it out, zoom in, you'll see lots of places where paths cross.
When did they cross? Was it even on the same day?
Originally posted by Uncinus
If you don't trust ATC, then would you at least trust, say, the timetables of scheduled flights between cities? Say the flights listed on expedia.com. They can't make that up, or people would not be able to fly from place to place. It matches up with what ATC records.
Originally posted by Uncinus
This picture below shows all recorded in one 24 hour period - all on the same day. It's representative of what a typical day's flights are in the US. It shows that flight cross. You can compare the image with the flights listed on any travel site to see that it is a pretty good representation of actual flights.
Originally posted by Sek82
I would have never thought it to be ships.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
That "X" is not from ships. It is from contrails that are at or near the altitude of the clouds. That "X" moves in perfect sync with the clouds and jet stream. How someone decided to call it being from ships is beyond my comprehension.
A bank of clouds off North America’s west coast featured a series of white trails in early October 2009. The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Terra satellite captured this true-color image on October 5, 2009. Although the white trails look vaguely like contrails left behind by airplanes, they actually result from ship exhaust.
The exhaust trails’ appearance—whiter than those of the surrounding clouds—results from them having smaller, but more numerous cloud droplets. Compared to the surrounding air, ship exhaust contains more particles, and each particle can act as a nucleus around which water vapor condenses. Because the available water is divided up among a greater number of particles, the resulting ship tracks consist of cloud particles that are smaller and more abundant than those of the surrounding clouds.