NWO isn't a bad idea.

Depends on how it comes about. I think that is why most advanced races in Sci-Fi are from united planets.

nice without obama has got my vote

second line likes that nwo

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Some Ideas they have are borderline good. But it'd mainly disgusting/ I remember that guy who said about building farms and stuff up and we'd have train like pods that would transport us. It's on Zeitgeist the guy who talks about the future it blew my mind. # ON THE NWO. Am army helicopter just flew over my house, their onto me!! hahaha

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a global people's republic? sign me up.
a world-dominating government-military-industrial alliance? hell no.

what we have now is a creeping oligarchy of the top business leaders of our world who see the globalization coming and want to stack the world-deck in their favor. an organic people's republic could rise up and combat the alliance, and who knows? maybe that's what we're seeing the roots of in the mid east and n. africa. but the NWO, one world government i oppose is a very real and very specific one. the idea of a global union is enticing, but it opens the door for corruption and scandal on an unprecedented scale. it would have to be quite well thought out.

utopia/dystopia is always a common theme and alot of scifi will have a protagonist fighting to expose either.
The problem with the whole NWO type scenarios is that alot of the policy is presented under the guise that they know whats best for you and will try to define what it is to be an individual.

examples

any global/bio ID, sure this may help identity fraud and determine whos illegal citizens but what about other private info? are you willing to divulge all that to feel safe and secure? you're now effectively cattle in this type scenario.

how about mandatory vaccinations, medicine, health care, and the like? what if you choose to obstain from such or seek an alternative thats not approved? go against and you an be subject to fine and imprisionment.

not going to list every NWO type scenario but you get the idea. i think thats mine and others problems with such homogenization. i want to be me and free

Originally posted by IamBoon
Depends on how it comes about. I think that is why most advanced races in Sci-Fi are from united planets.

Dear IamBoon,

I understand the benefits and the problem is that it requires that we all agree and we don't. The United States Constitution was intentionally made to make government inefficient. We didn't wan't too much control by others over our decisions, no more than was necessary. I therefore ask, is a NWO, or one world government necessary and I do not believe it is; therefore, I am against it.

If we were all on a lifeboat and there was only so much fresh water, it could be necessary to restrict what each person was allowed to drink; but, if there was unlimited fresh water it would not necessary and therefore wrong. Sci-Fi is just that, it is fiction. Utopia is not a situation, it is a process. It is the ability to experience eternal change not a place we arrive at and go to bed.

There is no perfect government, it depends on society and as soon as it prevents change, it fails. That is history. I recommend you read Arnold Toynbee's "A Study of History". He nailed it, all societies rise and fall as they address challenges. In SciFi, they somehow work past this, they cease rising and falling, they cease growing. That is what is wrong with thinking we can find a place where we are no longer challenged, in my opinion. Be well.

I think it's a bad idea.
We need to get back to local and community to have control of our lives.
Not outsource the power base to god knows where.

Why not just let THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND run the world?
The establishment is already in place and England have either owned or had a huge hand in the running of most countries anyway.
Don't like that idea, well then who's to say your going to like who ends up your overlord anyway?
It's not like your vote is going to count for anymore than it does now, which is zippo.

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A new world order wouldn't be such a problem, if we really knew who was behind it all.

Who ever is trying to do it doesn't seem to trust us at all so ... why should we trust them? Or is it supposed to be a one way street, all take and no give. Put another way, why is it do you suppose that everytime people want to get together and fix the world they are not interested in stopping themselves only in telling others what they can and cannot do. Nanny world, prison world, what's the difference.

The fundamental problem is that people are still, to this very day, hypnotized by the one wielding the power and have little sympathy for those crushed under the wheels of progress. So everyone still wants power. Lately though the power hungry have been having a bit of trouble provoking us into acting-out so they can crush us. They are starting to turn on each other to prove their power.

I'm enjoying watching the feeding frenzy at the top from my lowly place in the cheep seats.


David Grouchy

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F you now I'm humming the Jurassic Park theme and ......... you win.. I'm going to watch Jurasic Park 1 *and 2.... there is no 3 to me... NUURR NA NURRRR NA NURRR NUUU A NUUUURRR NAAA NURRRR goddamit

World Order is a great idea. The NWO term is designed to conquer and divide. WO is necessary however the idea has been high-jacked by a small group of international movers and shakers who's use of the idea has caused the majority of fair minded individuals to persieve the whole idea as a take over by the rich and powerful.

Democracy is an excellent way to determine which direction the whole of society should be heading with a popular vote based on publicly available research. Once our course is plotted, it should no doubt be left to the best and brightest to see that the choice materializes. That means that world affairs must be run like a successful corporation would, and we have the tools and understanding to do this.

The world will never be run fairly under a democracy, but we need it to determine which way we want to go.

How do you use both systems in today's ideological climate without coming out looking like a corporate nazi?

Don't overlook the fact that many icons of democracy have conceded that on the surface even socialism can be a good thing. In regards to the post made here, the detemination we must make is how can we possibly be in worse shape than we already are? Any and all considerations have moderate to fatal flaws, but the all encompassing and mostly undefined (to my knowledge the majority of readers have not reached consensus of a wide ranging definition) "NWO" could be fine tuned for the greater good. I am open to all interpretations of NWO and am aware that it appears to constitute a turn for the worse, but is that direction set in stone? I really don't know, but if it is irreversibly detrimental, I would appreciate validation for that information.

Lastly, can anyone tell me if NWO automatically equates to the "end times" prophesy of the Bible? Perhaps? Maybe? Maybe not? I sincerely would like to know.

Thanks.

1: Illuminati is not NWO, people confuse these two and want to pretend as if they are interchangeable.
2: Welcome to the NWO because as of right now, this is it!
3: Ever consider that the NWO is simply there to frighten people right back into the arms of the OLD WORLD ORDER aka the Status quo? Not saying simply suggesting as a possibility, a very real possibility....
4: I believe the ideas presented by Jacques Fresco in the Zeitgeist documentary series is a good sustainable example yet that people will reject it because they have been conditioned to accept the labels of Socialism and Communism and thus to reject anything that resembles either.
5: I believe mankind can exist in a more balanced state without the need for money, borders, gods etc etc and that everything John Lennon wrote in "imagine" is possible if we only believe it to be, thus, conversely, if we cannot imagine it as a possibility then it is not a possibility.

"We shall heal the sick and feed the poor!"
"But Jesus, isnt that socialism?"

Not a Christian but a well armed Theosophist!

Like one poster said, a bunch of good ideas that will be perverted and then used to enslave us further, paraphrasing....is about right yet I will never believe that we cannot do it in a good way if we the people were actually in charge of the transition.

I still believe in us...

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I will agree and disagree with you.
In a "Star Trek" setting where there is free energy and food is an absolute non issue and people of the earth are not oppressed by tyrants, absolutely.
In that sort of a society there would be no greed as nobody would go hungry and work would most probably be for leisure rather than necessity.

However in the real world that we are living in,....
Free energy first off, this would break the stranglehold alot of corporations have on us.
The UN, NATO, Etc. world/continental type organizations allow near genocide to be practiced daily
This could be absolutely stopped.
People starve where there is fertile land.
There are waaaaaay too many problems that could be fixed and are not simply because people do not care.
They think "if it is not happening to me it is ok".
There is something terribly wrong with this, so till we fix alot of probs, the Star Trek lifestyle is out of the question.

I might sound drastically optimistic, but i like to believe that the entire industrial revolution, the war machine, and the modern corporation that have taken over this world, may have actually been the necessary formula in order to save humanity and possibly life on this planet. Without all the horrible things that have happened in the past 100 years, as well as the greedy, materialistic, fast pace lifestyles we have become accustomed to, science and technology never would have progressed so quickly. Geoengineering is such a new term that spell check wont even accept it, but could we even dream of it 100 years ago? I don't think a bunch of peaceful folk who warship Mother Nature would have found a good enough reason to imagine giving her a face lift.

There could be good reason for all this mess that we cannot understand. there has been good reason for a lot of other messes through hundreds of millions of years of history that got us to a point where we thought we had it all, or at least the potential.

If there was good reason for us to acquire so many tools so quickly regardless of the cost in human suffering, then we might be in for something big...and soon, but we will get through it like any good parasite.

lately ive been thinking this, just because of how f'd up things are now. but the only way, imo, this would be good is if we dont have the ppl that are running the world now, in charge when this NWO takes place.... this is just my opinion, i still think a NWO is bad mainly because it WILL mean HUGE changes for EVERYONE and ppl wont want changes especially the changes that will have to be made =/

You can take your NWO and shove it .. Its MY life I live it on MY terms. Ive neither a need nor a use for any leader or government - especially NOT a damn NWO one ran by the corrupt, murderous, psychotic bastards westerners call leaders. Humanity needs to grow up and realise that leaders, governments, nations etc are all part of what has held them back from reaching their true potential.. So the NWO can go straight to hell.

Originally posted by IamBoon
Depends on how it comes about. I think that is why most advanced races in Sci-Fi are from united planets.

Although anti the current NWO and any forseeable ones, I have to agree if we could find a way to peacefully unite for the greater good through New world order then we would be unstoppable.

The Dark Ones say, "Let us do evil that good may come". This is always the hallmark of Totalitarians. The Ends justify the means is the very basis of Marxism.