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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

There was coup d'etat in the Catholic Church on October 26th, 1958 and the Church has been governed by imposters since that time.

Is this really that important? In my opinion it is. The Catholic Church is the largest and oldest institution on earth with roughly a billion nominal members, roughly 3 times the population of the United States.

Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries. Abortion, pornography, divorce, obscenity all became prominent after the papal chair was usurped in 1958.

To demonstrate the power of the Church before this, look at the time when Pius XII excommunicated President Peron of Argentina in 1955 when he tried to contradict the constitution and allow divorce.

As a result of the excommunication, the populace of Argentina rose up and Peron was removed from office and Catholic teaching was upheld. Who would have thought that 50 years later Argentina would be legalizing “gay marriage.”

Also, for those familiar with Catholicism you may know that the original Mass, which can be traced back to the 4th century (but could very well be apostolic in origin), was abandoned in 1969 to make way for a "new mass," A ceremony that bears little resemblance to the traditional Mass. Again, who would want to destroy the sacred rite but an enemy agent masquerading as Pope.

Part 8 The Destruction of the Mass www.youtube.com...

To find out why the “Catholic” Church of today has become a sick caricature of the Catholic Church of two millennia we have to look back to the papal conclave of 1958. I believe the documentary posted below will provide the key to understanding what has happened.

At the center of the film is the election of the conservative prelate, Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, in 1958. What you will see in this section is a very clear emission of white smoke from the Sistine Chapel 2 days before the election of John XXIII. On this night 200,000 people turned to the balcony to see the new pope emerge on the balcony while news reports went out around the world that a new pope had been elected.

Vatican radio later announced that the white smoke was a mistake and that no Pope had been elected. In this section you will also hear the testimony of an FBI Consultant that claims there are FBI and State Department files which state that on this night Cardinal Siri was elected Pope and took the name Gregory XVII. In addition, former papal advisor Father Malachi Martin gives his testimony that Cardinal Siri was elected and was put under duress in at least 2 if not 3 conclaves. This is the centerpiece of the film (part 4) which is about 10 minutes www.youtube.com...

Looking at one incident, however, does not give one the perspective they need to see that the church has been hijacked. The very clear signal that a pope had been elected 2 days before John XXIII emerged on the balcony is very suspicious, but in itself does not provide enough reason to believe that the Chair of Peter was stolen. To arrive at a clear conclusion on this, one must take several things into account.

Historical Precedents

The papacy does get usurped. In the history of the Catholic Church the papacy has been usurped more than 40 times, which is easily verifiable by getting a list of anti-popes. In the movie we highlight the case of Innocent II who was elected pope and then forced to flee by an imposter pope, Anacletus II. Anacletus II ruled for 8 years until his death, upon which, Innocent ascended to the papal throne many years late. Anacletus and all the clergy ordained by him were then condemned at the second Lateran Council.

The Men Who Took Over

The men who took office instead of Cardinal Siri, namely John XXIII ( Angelo Roncalli) and Paul VI (Giovanni Montini) we’re more just bad apples.

JOHN XXIII

John XXIII’s Masonic initiation is described in detail in Pier Carpi’s book the “The Prophecies of John XXIII” and there is a vast amount of evidence and testimony that he was indeed a Mason. For this alone he would be ipso facto excommunicated and obviously ineligible for the Papacy. Upon his election, he immediately made Montini (future Paul VI) a Cardinal and called the Second Vatican Council, two of the most disastrous decisions in the history of the Catholic Church.

He also received Nikita Khrushchev’s son-in-law and daughter at the Vatican in a private meeting, this is after communist regimes around the world murdered and imprisoned millions of Catholics. The well publicized meeting earned an extra million votes for the communist party in Italy in the national elections. John XXIII also began introducing changes to the Mass, changes that would culminate in the complete destruction of the Tridentine Latin Mass under Paul VI.

Part 5 Who was John XXIII? www.youtube.com...

Paul VI

Paul VI, who never spent so much as a day a parish priest before becoming Pope, enjoyed reading books by Oscar Wilde during his seminary days. This wouldn’t seem so bad if it weren’t for the multiple public accusations of sodomy against him that emerged during and after his pontificate. If this wasn’t bad enough, ex-member of the Vatican noble guard, Franco Bellegrandi recounts in his book Nikita Roncalli that Pius XII conducted a secret investigation and found out that Montini, then secretary of state, was providing names of priests operating behind the iron curtain to the Soviet secret police. The priests were then shot or sent to the gulag.

Part 7 Who was Paul VI? www.youtube.com...

Indeed these two men were not simply “bad popes,” nor did they become pope and then lose their faith. They were enemy agents who set the Church on a carefully designed plan to destruction.
Once the treachery of these two men has been established, the 3 week period between the death of Pius XII (a true pope) and the so-called election of John XXIII (an imposter) become crucial. Did anything significant happen between these two dates? Yes, there was a five minute signal indicating a pope had been elected billowing out of the Sistine Chapel two days before John XXIII emerged on the balcony in St. Peter’s Square. Was the true pope elected on this night, and was he Cardinal Siri? I’ll point to three sources that say this is exactly what happened.

Paul L. Williams

FBI informant Paul Williams in his book The Vatican Exposed quotes State department files that state Cardinal Giuseppe Siri was elected and took the name Gregory XVII on Sunday October 26th but the French Cardinal annulled the results .

Fr. Malachi Martin

Fr. Malachi Martin in an interview in the late nineties says that Siri got enough votes to become Pope but refused the office because he thought they would not let him live.

Fr. Charles-Roux

Father Charles-Roux claims that Joseph Cardinal Siri of Genoa had been elected and also accepted the Papal office, but a very serious threat was delivered by the dean of the College of Cardinals (Cardinal Tisserant) and that Siri was immediately shoved aside, without actually abdicating.

Here we have three individuals claiming that Cardinal Siri was elected and was subject to some kind of threat. This along with Cardinal Siri’s indirect admissions (twice) that he was elected pope make a very good case that the person who was elected when the white smoke emerged on October 26th, 1958, was Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa.

Furthermore there is a great deal of evidence that Cardinal Roncalli and the whole 1958 affair was planned by unholy forces, which is described in Part 3 of the film.

Part III The Chosen Candidate www.youtube.com...

Those who have trouble believing that Cardinal Siri was elected seem to want an admission from the forces of darkness who captured the papacy and a detailed explanation of how they did it. Others expect that Siri would come out and claim that he was pope, when obviously nobody would believe it, even if he did manage to get the word out before being eliminated.

Lastly, the film will give some basic instructions on how to find traditional churches, priests, catechisms, etc and give a word or two on activism.

Part XII The Underground Church www.youtube.com...

The film is otherwise broken down into 12 parts, the subject matter of each part described in the title.

Part 1 Historical Precedents www.youtube.com...
Part 2 October 1958 www.youtube.com...
Part 3 The Chosen Candidate www.youtube.com...
Part 4 The 1958 Conclave www.youtube.com...
Part 5 Who was John XXIII? www.youtube.com...
Part 6 The 1963 Conclave www.youtube.com...
Part 7 Who was Paul VI? www.youtube.com...
Part 8 The Destruiction of the Mass www.youtube.com...
Part 9 Year of Two Conclaves www.youtube.com...
Part 10 Cardinal Siri Confronted www.youtube.com...
Part 11 Conclusion www.youtube.com...
Part 12 The UndergroundChurch www.youtube.com...




posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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You are silly. If the bible was real there wouldn't be 600 versions of it. I hope there is a God, and that he is almighty and all knowing, but i have a hard time grasping why if God decided to use the bible as his method of making humans obey him, he would allow everyone to make their own version suiting their desires.

Maybe he wants us to do as we please.

And so many of the texts are written by so many different people as well as anonymous and unknown people, how can anyone base their entire belief system on it?
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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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This thread is another reason I don't believe in organized religion.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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I'm not Catholic and I don't follow organized religion, but this was a well done post with interesting points.

You clearly have a truth you seek to establish. I wish you all the best.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Thank you.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Welcome to ATS.
Wow. Interesting stuff. I haven't checked out the vids yet but I will with interest. I have never heard of this Siri story, but I do love a good mystery.

I went to the Vatican right after Khrushchev's offspring and people were quite surprised at the audience they received. It did cause quite a buzz at the time. I attended a general audience wherein John XXIII entered and seriously stumbled. Someone caught him and helped him up. It was during or just before Vatican 2 council.

It is a most significant time in my life, because more than anything until then I had truly believed they were the church of the poor, so the opulence of the Vatican truly shocked me in a revolting way. I absolutely loved Bernini's canopy. However just one of those fabulous chandeliers could probably feed a family for a year. Near the entrance, I actually sat on La Pieta to place a bandaid on my blistered foot, can you believe it? But the riches of the Vatican quite frankly turned me right off and I began to question things then.

So I'm off to view the vids and will get back to you if I have further comment.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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Well questioned many things myself, my family are Catholics going back hundreds of years, as much as I wanted to believe I couldn't help but think it was all a big hoax. Luckily I heard Hutton Gibson (Mel's dad) on the Alex Jones show and from then I ordered his books and followed up on his recommendations.

His website has a number of excellent resources and he also has a newsletter that comes out a few times a month.
www.huttongibson.com



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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at 8 years old i realized the catholic church was nothing but hypocrisy - sunday mass was in opulent buildings made of marble and gold- jesus would have hurled seeing this. thats what i thought then. i thought "sell this crap and give the cash to the poor". it was nothing but blatant materialism. the sermon of the mount is completely disregarded in catholicism.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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Welcome to ATS Clairveaux and have a flag on me.


You're only supposed to introduce yourself in the intro forum and aren't allowed to make a real thread 'till you have 20 posts so the mods will probably shut this one down soon.

You did a great job covering the material, I did a thread a while back on The Siri Thesis but, it didn't get much play.

Welcome to ATS, have fun and, I hope you saved your work so you can re-post this after you get 20 posts under your belt.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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I found the series to be quite eye-opening and believable. However as a woman I have no desire to be anywhere near that evil institution.

I do think it is all but finished, but all the best to you in your activism.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Thieving other people's work isn't very honest is it?

Why would you steal a anti semetic, misogynist's stuff anyway?

Oh and welcome to ATS.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by aboutface
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I found the series to be quite eye-opening and believable. However as a woman I have no desire to be anywhere near that evil institution.

I do think it is all but finished, but all the best to you in your activism.


Thanks for watching aboutface. I can understand why you would say you would never want to go near that "evil institution" but bear in mind that many people around the world are saying the same thing about America at the moment, and with good reason. How many innocent people did American forces kill in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last 5 years? But does this mean the founding fathers were bad, does it mean the constitution is bad, does it mean the American people are evil? Of course not.

Hopefully you see my point, America the country has been hijacked, just like the Catholic Church. There are evil people in charge of both and they need to be exposed and routed.

Thanks for the flags!



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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I see your point, but I respectfully disagree with the analogy. It's about perspective and experience. In the past, the US was hailed as the land of the free by people of influence, and that certainly seems to be undergoing a hijacking, unless of course one were looking at it from the position of an American slave.

The church, on the other hand, never accorded women equal footing, or full admission. I suppose that's because its foundation base was another religion that did not grant women equal status either. But full stop here. By placing Mary in a position of reverence while perpetuating the notion that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute-- and let's not get into Eve and the implied guilt trip, it does not appease my sense of injustice, nor will it ever. No matter the rituals and pomp, what I looked for in a religion was application of its higher spiritual teachings, certainly not outward appearances, laws, power, rituals, and most definitely not memorized catechism or control politics. I did embark on a search and discovered the principles of the Bahai'i Faith, although I am not active in that religion either.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Hmm..I'm not an expert on women's issues. I know many Catholics would argue that Catholicism was the best thing that happened to women, and I do know that woman where the most zealous converts in the early days. To the modern western woman I don't know how well their arguments would stand up. I think the Rockafellar funded "woman's liberation movement," "feminism," etc. have done a lot to influence women's opinions. I see "Sex in the City" to be a rather negative influence as well. I don't think any lasting happiness or fulfillment will be found in either of these two movements/lifestyles. As to why woman are not allowed to be ordained priests, I'm not exactly sure, but would guess that God designed each gender with specific roles in mind. I think the holy family (Jesus, Mary, and Joseph) are God's example for us. As father and husband, having a practical example of what God expects from me (Joseph) is a much greater benefit than what I could find in various other religions.

But I must say, I am the only one of my peers to arrive at this conclusion.

Does that mean I'm wrong?



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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presents

The 1958 UFO Chronology


www.nicap.org...

www.nicap.org...
Jan. 16, 1958; NE of Trindade Island, Brazil (BBU)

Map of sightings for 1958, courtesy of Larry Hatch's *U* Database at www.larryhatch.net...


Created February 24, 2006; Updated Dec. 27, 2010

This is a 9-page report on a project involving a number of people. A lot of the incidents do not yet have active links to reports. Blue Book microfilms are only processed to mid-1952, so it will be some time before we can accomplish that goal. However, this is a comprehensive list for 1958 and will also suffice as a good work and checklist for our team. With the help of William Wise (Project Blue Book Archive), and Dan Wilson (archive researcher), the task becomes much easier.

blue and red lions -


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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:24 AM
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Welcome to ATS!

A long time ago I investigated the catholic church and I discoverred the "Black Pope", his provincial generals and the Jesuit order as the hidden power of the last centuries.

Back to AD 325 or so reincarnation was "abolished" too(but can still be found in many places of the bible text) by the catholic church. Anyway, I don´t believe modern people pay attention to church anymore because of all their scandals, the result is however devastating since people do not believe in any higher powers anymore.

Personally I cultivate myself in Falun Dafa(mind and body cultivation) by assimilating myself to the cosmic characteristics of Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance in daily life´s actions.

I believe Falun Dafa holds the key to the end times salvation of modern people. That is why it was released in 1992 and that is why it is persecuted by "the great red dragon" in China(the Communist Party) as all the prophecies foretold ages ago.

/Gaussq



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Clairveaux
The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

There was coup d'etat in the Catholic Church on October 26th, 1958 and the Church has been governed by imposters since that time.

Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries.


They have been ineffective because the ability of the Church to maintain Catholicism through murder, inquisition, coercion, bribery, and deception has been weakened.

I for one am glad that the Church is governed by "imposters". Better imposters then the evil decievers that preceded them.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by Nathwa

Originally posted by Clairveaux
The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

There was coup d'etat in the Catholic Church on October 26th, 1958 and the Church has been governed by imposters since that time.

Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries.


They have been ineffective because the ability of the Church to maintain Catholicism through murder, inquisition, coercion, bribery, and deception has been weakened.

I for one am glad that the Church is governed by "imposters". Better imposters then the evil decievers that preceded them.


My friend there is a large amount of anti-Catholic propaganda out there. Considering the vastness of the history of the Catholic Church be careful not to get hung up on one individual or event. The BBC did an excellent documentary called The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition where it looks at the real historical record of the inquisition. The record shows that the Catholic Inquisition was very reasonable, especially compared to the torture practices of protestant countries of the same period. How many witches did puratins(spl?) kill in New England?

The documentary is on youtube by the way.

Anyway if you compare the the Catholic Church to other large governments in human history I'll be surprised if you can find something better. Communist Russia? China? Ancient Egypt? The Roman Empire? America?
Really I'd like an example of an actual government that has lasted more than 100 years, that wasn't isolated to a small geographical location that you would recommend as a model for the future.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by Nathwa

Originally posted by Clairveaux
The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

There was coup d'etat in the Catholic Church on October 26th, 1958 and the Church has been governed by imposters since that time.

Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries.


They have been ineffective because the ability of the Church to maintain Catholicism through murder, inquisition, coercion, bribery, and deception has been weakened.

I for one am glad that the Church is governed by "imposters". Better imposters then the evil decievers that preceded them.


My friend there is a large amount of anti-Catholic propaganda out there. Considering the vastness of the history of the Catholic Church be careful not to get hung up on one individual or event. The BBC did an excellent documentary called The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition where it looks at the real historical record of the inquisition. The record shows that the Catholic Inquisition was very reasonable, especially compared to the torture practices of protestant countries of the same period. How many witches did puratins(spl?) kill in New England?

The documentary is on youtube by the way.

Anyway if you compare the the Catholic Church to other large governments in human history I'll be surprised if you can find something better. Communist Russia? China? Ancient Egypt? The Roman Empire? America?
Really I'd like an example of an actual government that has lasted more than 100 years, that wasn't isolated to a small geographical location that you would recommend as a model for the future.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by Gaussq
Welcome to ATS!

A long time ago I investigated the catholic church and I discoverred the "Black Pope", his provincial generals and the Jesuit order as the hidden power of the last centuries.

Back to AD 325 or so reincarnation was "abolished" too(but can still be found in many places of the bible text) by the catholic church. Anyway, I don´t believe modern people pay attention to church anymore because of all their scandals, the result is however devastating since people do not believe in any higher powers anymore.

Personally I cultivate myself in Falun Dafa(mind and body cultivation) by assimilating myself to the cosmic characteristics of Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance in daily life´s actions.

I believe Falun Dafa holds the key to the end times salvation of modern people. That is why it was released in 1992 and that is why it is persecuted by "the great red dragon" in China(the Communist Party) as all the prophecies foretold ages ago.

/Gaussq





Thanks for the reply Gaussq, what you say regarding the Jesuits is largely true according to what I've read. Pope Clement XIII and Pope Clement XIV are both believed to have been poisoned after trying to abolish the Jesuit order. Today however the Jesuits include people like Henry Kissinger who is Jewish. So again, I'll point the people running these societies are not Catholic.

I agree with you that most people do not believe in a "higher power" though I would say instead that they don't believe in a "supernatural realm" I think the darwinist idea that we are just evolved animals is a genocidal philosophy projected on humanity by those who seek only power and control and hence submission. If you are familiar with Carrol Quigley, who wrote Tragedy and Hope and Evolution of Civilizations writes that it is false that scientists don't believe in a supernatural realm but rather since supernatural events cannot be reproduced in a laboratory they concern themselves with the physical aspect of the universe. He wrote that around 1950, unfortunately I think it wouldn't be true of most scientists today.




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