reply to post by Partygirl
To respond to this quote... I think the best response would be to quote from the scriptures
(Philippians 2:5-8) . . .Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no
consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the
likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a
In other words Jesus would not even in a fit of seizure consider that he was equal to God.
In fact when Jesus performed miracles some of the Jews accused him of blasphemy by claiming he was of equal stature...
(John 5:18) . . .On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was
also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.
Jesus replied the following by showing that although he could perform miracles these powers were entrusted to him by his father - who sent him...
(John 5:19-24) . . .Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own
initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the
Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, in order that YOU may
marvel. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to. 22 For the Father
judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, 23 in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that
does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. 2. . .
How could the same person, send someone else? It makes NO sense.
Also Jesus prayed to his heavenly father before his trial....(Matthew 26:39) . . .And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and
saying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”
What would be the point of prayer if Jesus was God and part of a Trinity? Surely that would mean he would be praying to himself all night....
Again it makes NO sense, the scriptures do not teach that Jesus was equal to God. The Jewish first century Christians who had been converted
worshipped EXACTLY the same God as they had always worshipped even as Jews.... YHWH or in ancient Hebrew "the ONE who causes to become"...... not two
However after Jesus' death and his ransom sacrifice had been accepted he became a mediator between mankind and God after Adam turned against God and
willed that mankind should be made independent of his creator and not be subfect to him. Paul explained this quite eloquently.....
(1 Timothy 2:5-7) . . .For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom
for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times. 7 For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an
apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth.
So who tells the truth about the status of Jesus and his father Jehovah?... the Scriptures..... or a doctrine that predates Christianity ....
“From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” observed historian Will Durant. In the Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings
wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian
group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.”
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