Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

I dont know why there are so many personal attacks against me. I put up a thread which has different views than some of you have. Theres no need to take it so personally and attack me personally. Most people here haven't put much counter points to what I have. I dont mind you disagreeing with me, just no need for all the name calling.

Originally posted by gorgi
I dont know why there are so many personal attacks against me. I put up a thread which has different views than some of you have. Theres no need to take it so personally and attack me personally. Most people here haven't put much counter points to what I have. I dont mind you disagreeing with me, just no need for all the name calling.

I agree. I still think you are heavily misguided but you are far from stupid, ignorant, shill, or any of that other garbage. I always wince when the people I'm in agreement with start throwing feces.

Agreed everybody? Can we stop calling this dude names?

Originally posted by soldita
I had to log in just to say if this guy is being for real, he makes me sick. You have to be blind to not understand the USA is on the fast track to collapse. It needs to make some game changing decisions, which coincidentally Ron Paul has been doing for 40 years.

Im very serious. The country is not on the fast track to destruction. That's simply not true. This country is a very resilient nation. This recent recession is far form the worst we've had. The change he wants to put in will harm the country. We have the government agencies for a reason.

Strong central open governments are essential for a modern first world country. If you dont want a country like that, have a look at Somalia, Congo, Sudan. They have weak central governments with low taxes. Are those countries we should look up to ?

Originally posted by gorgi
I dont know why there are so many personal attacks against me. I put up a thread which has different views than some of you have. Theres no need to take it so personally and attack me personally. Most people here haven't put much counter points to what I have. I dont mind you disagreeing with me, just no need for all the name calling.

I just re-read the entire thread.
Don't see personal attacks. I see facts brought up like, you just registered recently. Your grammar is terrible. Your facts are from questionable sources and are MSM. Your logic is lacking. Your fundamentals of the economy are not there.
I did not see anywhere where you were called a poo-poo head.

Plus, your argument is lacking in so much, that you got torn to bits by people here.

I still don't see personal attacks.

The basis of your argument and theory is:
Current Government=good
Proposed Government=bad
Constitutional Government=bad


I guess calling someone a shill is a bad name?
Ok. You were called a shill.

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Well sport, I guess bu now you have looked up the statistics on the DOE. It's original intent was to reduce America's dependency on foreign oil. So how is that working you ask?
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not too good.

But since this department has been such a miserable failure at accomplishing their original task, I am sure they have reduced their size or almost eliminated their existence right?

well, not exactly.
Let me know when you get those numbers.

Originally posted by gorgi
Most people here haven't put much counter points to what I have. I dont mind you disagreeing with me, just no need for all the name calling.

this whole thread is a counter point.
i hope you're able to realize that.

on a side note: i'd like to apologize for all the name calling. although, i haven't really seen much outside of the odd comment about you possibly being disinfo etc. oh, and someone called you a moron. i apologize for that. it's unnecessary and uncouth.

but it's really the content of your OP that people are pushing back against. a parrot will only learn the words it is taught, it cannot learn independently. you seem to only be reciting back the same tired bullet points. people are tired of it, i'm tired of it.

Originally posted by IAmNotWill
IMO this is a thread created to pick a fight, unfortunately for OP, Ron Paul supporters know their stuff.

Why? B/c anyone who has paid attention to Dr. Paul understands his form of politics promotes learning the issues, digging to the source, enlightening in a sense. You are never gonna win an argument with a Paul supporter under the terms you have begun this little battle. And you surely won't get the last word in on ATS with your generic political rhetoric.

You seriously sound very unintelligent.

Debt sounds like a good idea b/c you are told to think it's completely alright. Debt is ok, IMO, when other countries are willing to buy it up (Tbills). Guess what, countries don't want to buy out debt up anymore, they don't trust us and they don't trust the dollar. So instead the (privately owned) FED us using their power (to print money) to buy up US debt (tbills) from guess who... Goldman Sachs (every single member of the FED has worked for Goldman Sachs. So both parties benefit. Do the research, I know I don't have to explain this to the majority of open minds on here.

Thanks for being so polite. I really appreciate it.

There is nothing wrong with QE. Its a very useful way to spur the economy along. If it is used correctly, it can have great results.Japan did use QE and it failed. Thats true. However it worked here in the US. Infaltion in the US is very low. High inflation is a risk of QE, but the fed made it work.

QE explained

How QE2 worked

Originally posted by slowisfast

Originally posted by gorgi
Most people here haven't put much counter points to what I have. I dont mind you disagreeing with me, just no need for all the name calling.

this whole thread is a counter point.
i hope you're able to realize that.

on a side note: i'd like to apologize for all the name calling. although, i haven't really seen much outside of the odd comment about you possibly being disinfo etc. oh, and someone called you a moron. i apologize for that. it's unnecessary and uncouth.

but it's really the content of your OP that people are pushing back against. a parrot will only learn the words it is taught, it cannot learn independently. you seem to only be reciting back the same tired bullet points. people are tired of it, i'm tired of it.

Thank you being civil.

I'm not acting like a parrot. Im just giving out facts that support my stance. It seems that there is a lot of Ron Paul fanaticism an I wan to point out why its misguided. I keep hearing the same thing form him and his supporters, but none of it makes sense. Its up to others if they want to read it or do their research other than just believe what Ron Paul says.

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I am sorry, but debt is not good.
With the idea that China holds the largest portion of US debt, when they say jump, we say how high. Why is that? Because if we don't bow to the financial master, they will either call our debt or quit buying. Either way, they are in control. Goes back to the master statement. I don't need Glen Beck to tell me that. Anyone with any common sense should be able to figure it out.
The fact that you not only believe in things like QE/QE2, the Federal Reserve printing money from nothing, Stimulus, Keynesian Economics and the ridiculous notion that the Govt can create a job that produces something, without first taking from others shows that you have been spoon fed the ideas of Econ from Socialists and Marxist run schools says so much.
It is not how the Fed Govt was designed. These things provide Ponzi style schemes, which are the mechanism to continue and grow the control of the people.

Your whole argument rests on the premise that bigger government is good.

Sure.
If you don't want those pesky freedoms or civil liberties.

Ron Paul makes much more sense than any of the common business backed politico thugs we are accustomed to in the US. He is in tune with the very core of the working class whom by the way, makes up the majority of the United States population compared to any other "class" whatever it may be. In my experience, those who find Mr. Paul's positions unlikable do so only because of their own ignorant positions.

Can't wait to cast my vote for Ron Paul for our next POTUS!!

sorry but after going over this entire thread and all your posts so far in it...you've been proved wrong again and again...I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you've said so far...besides...would you rather we vote for Nobama AGAIN and get the same stupid bs...AGAIN?

Originally posted by gorgi
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You can ignore me if you want. Thats fine the truth is not for everyone.
Well jackson did cause the economy the crash after paying off the debt
jackson causes debt
Thats one reason for it among others. Slashing government spending was another.

Did you even read the link buddy?

"Jackson had already killed off the national bank (which he hated more than debt). So he couldn't put the money there. He decided to divide the money among the states.

But, according to economic historian John Steele Gordon, the party didn't last for long.

"The state banks went a little crazy. They were printing massive amounts of money. The land bubble was out of control."

and

"No one says that paying off the debt caused the depression. The bubble was going to pop sometime."

Maybe you should let the troll fest end OP? You state that you are just spreading the facts, but your "facts" are twisted beyond recognition...

Originally posted by gorgi
NO the national debt is not 7 billion. Its Higher. Debt isnt a bad thing really. Too much can be. The revolutionary was financed on debt.

OK, I made it to page 4 and I can't take anymore. This is the straw that broke my camel's back.

"Debt isn't a bad thing."??????????????? I suppose not if you are the banker collecting interest off the debt.

I just don't know what to say. You make my head hurt.

May you be miserable and penniless for the rest of your days.

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Read this book and then get back to us... Heres the ebook version so you don't have to spend money.

ebookee.org...

Here's a YouTube of the author of Creature



and here's Glenn Beck interview with same author



Ok get back to us after

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Infaltion in the US is very low. High inflation is a risk of QE, but the fed made it work.

You don't make it to the grocery store much do ya? Inflation was relatively low in previous decades, but everything has gone up drastically especially since the Stimulus and all these baillouts and the Fed printing like Niagara Falls. Try again buddy.

Or what were you comparing it to? Germany before the war?

The Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Greys, the thunderbird. Now we have gorgi. I really didn't think you existed!

Even if everything else you said made sense, the fact that you defend the Federal Reserve destroys your position and credibility. The troll is strong in this one.

/TOA

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What a sad little thread this is.


Good grief

First, lulz.... they DO EXIST!!!

Now gorgi, tell everyone exactly what is wrong with the four following videos:








I honestly can't believe there actually are people that think an entire monetary system based on debt and exponential growth is a good idea. Such a person existing was unfathomable until today. And now for some entertainment... Keynes vs Hayek style

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Infaltion in the US is very low

You have really got to be kidding me right? I just read every post on this thread and then I read this and had to respond. If you can seriously say that inflation is low in the US, you either dont live here or your parents buy everything for you.

Plain and simple, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.. RON PAUL 2012!!!