Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Yet republicans spend at least twice as much as democrats and most of it goes to the military-industrial complex.

Have you got something to back up that statement? Cause it is looking like personal opinion to me. Did you mean when a Republican is a sitting President or when Republicans control the House and the Senate? How about when the Democrats gained control over both houses? Did we get control over spending when the Democrats got control over both Houses and the Presidency? Did not a Democrat POTUS just get us into a THIRD war and increasing spending on the military? Who was in charge when all the entitlements that spend no matter who is in the WH were set up?

If you respond, please do not resort to Huffpo, DailyKos, or any Soros instrument of media.

Politicians Lie, Numbers Don't

And the numbers show that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.
By Michael Kinsley
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2008, at 1:49 PM ET

There is no secret about any of this. The figures below are all from the annual
Economic Report of the President, and the analysis is primitive. Nevertheless, what these numbers show almost beyond doubt is that Democrats are better at virtually every economic task that is important to Republicans.

Go ahead and read the full article and then download the chart to do the comparisons!

Originally posted by neo96
fyi the democrats are spending over 2.5 trillion on just social security and medicare and thats not including medicaid

or any other government subsidy.

i am so sick of the military industrial complex bs.

give it a rest

You probably don't have a clue what the annual military budget is nor the infamous black budget to be able to compare what amount is justified in relation to the overall annual budget of the nation. I support a DOD that is necessary, not one that is wasteful on classified "need to know" underground bases and back enginereed alien tech.

You just LOVE bashing social welfare programs and crying wolf where no wolf exists. You alse hate unions and are pro big business. I know because we have debated each other in the past quite a few times.

Also I would appreciate a link to your supposed information so I can ridicule it. Thanks in advance!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Stop the party line towing, please. Yeas the military and the 34958340598340 bases, and all the wars need to be eradicated. But so do a lot of the "social programs" out there. I can see SS and medicaid, when people are actually paying into it. Truth is, I know for a fact lots of people aren't. Embarrassing to admit, I have aunts who are leeches, never worked a day in their lives, and are pill popping drug addicts. Tax payers pay their rent, food, and their drug habit.

On the flip side I know a single mother, busting her ass working a factory job trying to make ends meet. She cannot get any help because she is an inch above the magic line. Whenever I can I donate money to her, because she is a great person, and a caring mother. She needs a bit of help, but because she helps herself just enough, no assistance.... Where is the justice in that crap?

Originally posted by simone50m
Hey, I wonder whats going on with the idea of the Jesse Ventura-Ron Paul 'ticket' for 2012? I listened to Jesse on Alex Jones show recently (Jesse was in Mexico) and didn't hear any mention of an alternate candidate run. My vote is NOT going for anyone uder Democrat or Republican, but I don't want to sit home and not vote, too.

There are MANY PARTIES you can vote for, other than democrat and republican.

Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, Green, Constitutional....etc

Problem is they are not getting heard enough and that is most definitely due to financial problems.

The first amendment guaranteed free speach but democrats and especially republicans have allowed donations(bribes) to be treated under "free speach". We need to radically change the campaign process and put the financial burden on taxpayers.

No donations of any kind should be allowed! And mainstream media needs to be held to higher standards.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

not one that is wasteful on classified "need to know" underground bases and back enginereed alien tech.

is there any wonder i dont take anything you post seriously.

You just LOVE bashing social welfare programs and crying wolf where no wolf exists. You alse hate unions and are pro big business.

yes i do love to bash programs that do nothing but create dependency

yes i do love to bash unions the very embodiment of fascist totalaritarian rule where the union is first and only and the individual means nothing and fyi i spent 10 years in a union I EARNED MY RIGHT TO HATE THE EVER LIVING HELL OUT OF THEM.

yes i do support business because are to root of all wealth in this country they are the ones who created jobs and goods and services that every person in this country uses on a daily basis and without them there is nothing.


dude i ridicule everything you say i and many others do not waste the time or thread space that adds nothing to the topic but shows your own ignorance.

whatever good job earning my contempt have a nice day.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

On the flip side I know a single mother, busting her ass working a factory job trying to make ends meet. She cannot get any help because she is an inch above the magic line. Whenever I can I donate money to her, because she is a great person, and a caring mother. She needs a bit of help, but because she helps herself just enough, no assistance.... Where is the justice in that crap?

I agree with you entirely. Our nation is becoming one that rewards irresponsiblity and punishes responsibility. Rewarding irresposibily only encourages it. It's actually a badge of honor in the welfare culture to collect as much "assisstance" as possible.

People who are doing their utmost best to provide for their families and need a little help fall through the cracks. This is especially so if one has managed to have achieved a little middle class success before falling on hard times.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

not one that is wasteful on classified "need to know" underground bases and back enginereed alien tech.

is there any wonder i dont take anything you post seriously.

You don't have to. Others make up for your ignorance..........

You just LOVE bashing social welfare programs and crying wolf where no wolf exists. You alse hate unions and are pro big business.

yes i do love to bash programs that do nothing but create dependency

That is the ONLY THING you sad desperate republicans can come up with in each election. Like only the lazy, barefoot minority mothers need them to stay home and pop babies. I am all for reform though and it should have been done a long, long time ago!

yes i do love to bash unions the very embodiment of fascist totalaritarian rule where the union is first and only and the individual means nothing and fyi i spent 10 years in a union I EARNED MY RIGHT TO HATE THE EVER LIVING HELL OUT OF THEM.

I guess there is an exception to every rule. Workers that "hate" unions eventhough unions protect workers from accidents, provide decent work hours and somewhat respectable pay. Now you "graduated" from being a worker and your a boss? LOL

yes i do support business because are to root of all wealth in this country they are the ones who created jobs and goods and services that every person in this country uses on a daily basis and without them there is nothing

.
I support small and medium business. I dislike the transnational corporations because they are above the law and rule government. I also dislike private banks! Deal with it.

dude i ridicule everything you say i and many others do not waste the time or thread space that adds nothing to the topic but shows your own ignorance.

whatever good job earning my contempt have a nice day.

edit on 13-5-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Indeed all you have shown is biased hate and ignorance. Feel free to ignore me but I won't ignore you.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Politicians Lie, Numbers Don't

And the numbers show that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.
By Michael Kinsley
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 16, 2008, at 1:49 PM ET

There is no secret about any of this. The figures below are all from the annual
Economic Report of the President, and the analysis is primitive. Nevertheless, what these numbers show almost beyond doubt is that Democrats are better at virtually every economic task that is important to Republicans.

Go ahead and read the full article and then download the chart to do the comparisons!

The problem is reports of this nature do not take into account the consequences of the actions of the administration down the road.

As I said before we had the beginning of the Leveraged buyout feeding frenzy during Reagan's years. We also had Bill Clinton Whole sale sellout to the bankers, corporate cartel and China. The current economic crash is directly related to the actions of those two administrations. If you want to get technical you could really start with Colonel Edward Mandell House advisor to President Woodrow Wilson.

A classic example is the "Harvard Business School Grad" my mid size company hired as Plant Manager. He produced really really terrific earnings for three years and then went on his merry way with glowing recommendations.

What the Board of Directors did not realize was that those "earnings" were not the result of good management but of deferred maintenance. We had racks of extruder screws, one for each machine. Normally when a screw was replaced another was put on order. Mr. Harvard MBA would not allow these very expensive replacements to be ordered.

There was just one problem ALL of those screws were custom made for each machine and it took a year to two years to get a new one!!! The SHTF big time when the first extruder went down and stayed down for a WHOLE YEAR because of that donkey's rearend's idea of "cost savings". The new Plant Manager was fired because of the policies put in place by the great and glorious Mr. Harvard MBA.

Unfortunately we see the same sort of thing on a much larger scale when it comes to our economy. Policies cause repercussions five to ten years down the road and are blamed on the current Admin. Unfortunately very few bother to look up the actions and actual laws that lead to the crisis before pointing fingers.

reply to post by stephinrazin


"this is away too educated a demographic to believe you"

The irony... THE IRONY!

This and the Obama poll and the DOZENS of earthquake prediction thread and the massive HAARP hysteria and the perpetual Christian moron discourse on this site lead me to believe that ATS is actually the home of all the rednecks and hillbillies who have just now gained internet access. What has the content of this thread been?

OP: Ron Paul is bad news guys and here is why [backed up with sources]
ATS: LOL U R A TROL

Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Ok... seriously, give me a straight answer here. Name one positive thing the feds can do that we can not do on a state level.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Ok... seriously, give me a straight answer here. Name one positive thing the feds can do that we can not do on a state level.

The states cannot alter the money supply. The states cannot control the interest rates. There, I named two things. Do you want more ?

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Ok... seriously, give me a straight answer here. Name one positive thing the feds can do that we can not do on a state level.

The states cannot alter the money supply. The states cannot control the interest rates. There, I named two things. Do you want more ?

Why can't they? They can't alter their own money supply or their own interest rates? Why not?

Did not read through the 40 pages, can not believe this thread got blown up like this.

What I do want to say is that out of all the politicians in our country, Ron Paul, is the only one I would feel somewhat comfortable with him in the White House. Though I am afraid we will never see that happen, as there are those at the top who wish not to see Ron Paul get the things done that he wants to do.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Ok... seriously, give me a straight answer here. Name one positive thing the feds can do that we can not do on a state level.

The states cannot alter the money supply. The states cannot control the interest rates. There, I named two things. Do you want more ?

Why can't they? They can't alter their own money supply or their own interest rates? Why not?

States do not have the ability to alter money made by the federal government. States simply do not have that ability to do anything that the Fed can do.
The states do not make money the federal govt does.

Originally posted by theUNKNOWNawaits
Did not read through the 40 pages, can not believe this thread got blown up like this.

What I do want to say is that out of all the politicians in our country, Ron Paul, is the only one I would feel somewhat comfortable with him in the White House. Though I am afraid we will never see that happen, as there are those at the top who wish not to see Ron Paul get the things done that he wants to do.

Its not just "those at the top" that want him to fail it should be everyone able to understand what Paul would to to this great country and that we should be afraid of.

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Ok... seriously, give me a straight answer here. Name one positive thing the feds can do that we can not do on a state level.

The states cannot alter the money supply. The states cannot control the interest rates. There, I named two things. Do you want more ?

Why can't they? They can't alter their own money supply or their own interest rates? Why not?

States do not have the ability to alter money made by the federal government. States simply do not have that ability to do anything that the Fed can do.
The states do not make money the federal govt does.

Actually the Federal Reserve makes money. And the Federal Reserve is not a government agency it is a corporation controlled by the Bankers.

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by theUNKNOWNawaits
Did not read through the 40 pages, can not believe this thread got blown up like this.

What I do want to say is that out of all the politicians in our country, Ron Paul, is the only one I would feel somewhat comfortable with him in the White House. Though I am afraid we will never see that happen, as there are those at the top who wish not to see Ron Paul get the things done that he wants to do.

Its not just "those at the top" that want him to fail it should be everyone able to understand what Paul would to to this great country and that we should be afraid of.

That is your opinion and like all people's opinions I respect it, though I wholeheartedly disagree. I think Paul's ideas would turn our country back around to where it should be and where the people really want it to be. We should be afraid of where our country is headed right now, with those that are in power right now.

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by DAVID64
Just the fact that you think the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security are good ideas is enough for me to dismiss your thread as a waste of time. The Fed is one of the big reasons the economy is in the shape it's in. Before you continue spouting pro government propaganda, you should wake up to the damage they're doing.

Do you know why the Fed is important ? The Fed was created in response to major financial panics. There were many panics leading up to its creation in 1913.

Do you know what the Fed does ? The Fed controls the monetary policy of the US. It tries to maintain price stability and stable interest rates for the long term ect...

The Fed is not a private bank either, which I see people here have a misconception about. The Fed is an independent, but is still part of the government and has congressional oversight and its Board of governors are chosen by the president and confirmed by the senate.
What this means is that he Fed does not keep any profits it earns or sends it to Bernakes private account hidden in Switzerland either. When the Fed makes a profit it usually turns most of it to the Treasury.

Ok... seriously, give me a straight answer here. Name one positive thing the feds can do that we can not do on a state level.

The states cannot alter the money supply. The states cannot control the interest rates. There, I named two things. Do you want more ?

Why can't they? They can't alter their own money supply or their own interest rates? Why not?

States do not have the ability to alter money made by the federal government. States simply do not have that ability to do anything that the Fed can do.
The states do not make money the federal govt does.

Why would you say that? They just somehow, intrinsically, lack the "ability" to do that? I asked you what can the feds do that the states cannot do. You are just telling me what the feds do that the states don't currently do. This has nothing to do with ability.