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Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by macman
I do like how the Gordi account argued with the LexiconRiot account, very good touch.
....Everything you posed as fact, is spoon fed dribble from Socialist/Marxist Economic Theorist with no real world application behind them.


Yes, being in disagreement without looking over one's shoulder or expecting censure is what being an American
should stand for.

Apparently, however, Ron Paul has taken on the mantle of one group in particular whose founders swam in paranoia about the Communists (update to Socialists/Marxists) taking over the world, and who beat the bushes for anyone "anti-American". John Birch Society

This once fringe group, given a voice such as Glenn Beck and unlimited funds from financiers like Koch bros, has been making inroads into the GOP for years...until, surprise!, they're here!

I no more want to be accused of being un-American than I would like to see followers of left wing extremist Lyndon LaRouche gain such power (remember Tea Party signs of Hitler mustache on Obama).

Certainly we can come together as a nation over our shared grievances, but neither the John Birch Society nor the LaRouchies are leaders to get behind. Shame on the GOP for letting their fringe group take on more power as useful tools!




posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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It is beautiful when people are truly awake. Thank you desert for your POV its nice to see.

The lack of critical thought on this site sometimes astounds me. I guess it should not though, just a bunch of people who buy into every conspiracy theory out there and use this base to further develop their political views.No ever theory is based in reality.
edit on 8-5-2011 by LexiconRiot because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:50 AM
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Who do you think set this up? You honestly think the Government desires keeping people down? Its laughable that people fail to see the real culprits here. Its BIG business with its paid off politicians....


Of course I know who set it up.

WHO do you think IS the government???

It is all those alphabet soup bureaucracies - not Congress, not the President. The bureaucracies make regulations and enforce those regulations WITHOUT allowing those regulated access to the courts.

In July 2000, USDA officials claimed in our court hearing that, “The farmers have no rights. No right to be heard before the court, no right to independent testing, and no right to question the USDA.”

WHO actually RUNS those alphabet soup bureaucracies? BIG BUSINESS (the corporate cartels) through the Government-industry revolving door

That is what is meant when we said the USA is now a corpocracy not a democratic republic.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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So one Obama poster out of how many people at a tea party rally means what?
Distract and divide.

I have no problem with people voicing their opinion.

When what is said is wrong, backed by historical fact to not stand the test of time and show signs of collusion, I will point it out. My voice.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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HeHe. Just some advice when being paid to troll forums like these again; going this hardcore against Paul, and this hardcore for clearly Statist and facist policies is a little much. I know your being paid to undermine Paul and all, and I can respect that. Every man must make his living somehow I guess. Your not all that good though. You are really going to defend the Federal Reserve on these forums? Your really going to say bailing out the banks was for the people? There are lots of things he stands for that would be easy to bash him on. You clearly don't know your audience very well, try tailoring your hit piece better next time. K thanks bye.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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But we have the power to change government. Unless we get rid of it.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by gorgi
No one is forcing anyone to take drugs. The government should be in charge of health care and not private companies. Companies are out for profit, not ones health.

Wars are bad, but if there needs to be one, make it big.



Originally posted by miconATSrender
I think they are forcing us to take drugs.
How about the fluoride+ in our tap water.
GMO foods
Aspartame
Just saying bro.



Originally posted by gorgi
No one is forcing you to drink tap water, Eat Gmo Foods or use aspartame. Its called choice. Just get something else.


How about you pay to get those. Why should we, who don't want it, have to pay not to get it?
I am forced to buy bottle water that does not have fluoride.
See how that works? And there is legislation to not have to mark food that is GMO. Nice so we will not know what is a genetically modified organism and what is not.
Aspartame is in almost every FN thing now. Why use natural sugarcane, when the fecal matter of bacteria is so yummy?
So an absence of options is equal to force. No choice, is choice? Up is down, black is white. Oh I see.
Now they want to bog down local farmers markets, so those options will be gone soon thanks to government regulations. I can wash my own vegetables, but I can't wash out GMO.
Farm subsidies is another thing, paying farmers more to not grow food. This to insure a food shortage, obviously.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by brilab45
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Please don;t judge me too critically. Herman Cain is my second runner up. The man is brilliant and I have had the great discovery of listening to him on radio. So please back off. My true allegiance is with Dr. Paul, however I am impressed with Cain.


I to like cain but when I found out he worked for the KS federal reserve, I was turned off, no more bankers in DC. He would be so pro-FED.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by LexiconRiot

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by LexiconRiot

Originally posted by parrothead0333
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I just wanted to say you are entitled to you opinion but just a couple things in response.

1. The Federal Reserve is not a body of government! Its holding our country hostage and is the number one reason why our dollar is collapsing and the price of everything is skyrocketing.

2. You really believe the DHS is protecting us? All they are doing is taking away our freedoms in the name of protecting us from harm. I am sorry but we do have a military and I can protect myself if need be. DHS is just another unnecessary government agency.

3. The IRS are a bunch of thugs that seek to simply get somebody for making a mistake on their taxes and then charging interest and penalties so they can take more and more money. The IRS needs to be abolished or in the very least their needs to be a fair tax and the IRS can only collect that and prosecute those that intentionally avoid paying their taxes.



The fact that you see the police state in everything scares me. The IRS is a necessary evil. One that needs more funding to go after those corps like GE that are able to turn a profit and still get a Tax return. How is this not obvious? Making a mistake happens and that is fine but there are far more cheats and people attempting to skirt taxes all together then there are mistakes.


You do know what a capital loss is right? GE was able to right off previous capital loses and thats why they did it. Nothing Illegal and its a smart idea to have a rule like that.


Nothing smart about it. It is an abuse. Maybe you are the shill some think you are...


Capital loss right offs are very common to apply when you have a gain later on. It helps coronations invest knowing that they wont lose too much if something bad happens. Individuals can do this to. I did this. I lost money in stocks in '08 and '09 and applied it to '10.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Just because you can do it doesn't make it ok. Its a loophole in the tax code that needs closing. The tax code needs an overhaul that ensures that everyone pays their dues. Simply put we all suffered in 2007-2009
writing it off in 2010 after huge gains is inane. We need to pay our debts not make nice with GE. Get the corp out of the government and get the corp shills out of elected office.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by kipfilet
No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics takes Ron Paul seriously.


No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics can possibly do anything but take Ron Paul seriously.

/TOA


Ron Pauls lack of understanding is astounding. He doesnt know what the Fed does and wants it abolished. Cutting out most government agencies will harm the middle class. NO oversight by the government will allow monopolies and fraud. National defense will be gone. Freedom will then subside.
If Ron Paul got his way he would turn the USA into Mexico or worse, Nigeria.


How about, since you don't believe Ron Paul has what it takes to run the country, you tell us who you think is qualified and why.

I would prefer none of the above. Obama is a little to weak. He gets pushed around a lot. One thing I like about Ron Paul is that he doesnt get pushed around.I understand why people like him for that reason.

/TOA



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Great points... This is precisely where my problems with Pauls proposed policy exist ~

Paul is not equipped or tempered to deal with corporatism... Meanwhile the supreme court solidifies the notion of
Corporate personhood with rulings that remove the legals checks and balances which impede corporate domination. Paul has expressly stated that he is not willing to intervene in business, unfortunately business
is entirely interested in intervening in governance which is the nature of any good legal/lobby team.

How can crony capitalism die, if you are unwilling to address the business side and are UNWILLING to impede
it from the regulatory side/government? YOU CAN'T

IT is the blind spot which Paul cannot rectify, his sons name is Rand...

Finally why does the corporate world clamor and spend Billions trying to defeat regulation each year???


If you do a quick google search you will see literally hundreds of threads from different sites claiming corporatism IS NOT PART OF CAPITALISM. That my friend is beyond absurd. How can it not be part of capitalism when a corporation is a legal BUSINESS entity that exists to make money? As far as I know there are three types of business ventures and I learned this IN HIGH SCHOOL out of all places: 1)sole proprietorship 2)partnership 3)corporation.

The first means a single NAMED business owner runs HIS business. The second means two or more people have combined their capital and run the business together;thus the business belongs to them directly. The third means the corporation exists by itself and thus is above the stockholders.

Perhaps in the middle ages when commerce was in its infancy stage and everyone specialised in a trade there was no such thing as corporations, but today with commerce being so highly organised and "regulated" how can we do away with them? The problem is not that they exist but that in effect they have grown out of porportion in terms of wealth and influence in relation to people and government. Companies merge, go under or get aquired by more powerful corporations thus wealth is continuesly consolidated. Its no damm secret, anyone who plays the stock market for a long time already knows this!

What is most worrying is that the middle class got sold the notion that ANYONE can play the stock market and get wealthy quickly and effortessly. Of course if you don't understand market strategies and competition in the global arena and play only a few thousand dollars of your hard earned savings YOU WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING! You might as well go to the racetrack and bet on horses or to the casino and play poker/blackjack because you might win something BIG by LUCK ALONE.

People who get wealthy playing the market are very knowledgeable traders, have lots of financial backbone and can afford a few losses here and there.

It all goes back to effective right wing brainwashing for decades, especially senator mccarthy and his witchhunt of socialists and communists. I guess it was ok during that era because the communists did the same thing in europe but things have changed since then and continue to change. The threat is not communism, the very real threat is the elite getting rich out of peoples collective guillibility and fear of the left. Everything is blamed on the left and nothing on the right.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Mojopin2
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HeHe. Just some advice when being paid to troll forums like these again; going this hardcore against Paul, and this hardcore for clearly Statist and facist policies is a little much. I know your being paid to undermine Paul and all, and I can respect that. Every man must make his living somehow I guess. Your not all that good though. You are really going to defend the Federal Reserve on these forums? Your really going to say bailing out the banks was for the people? There are lots of things he stands for that would be easy to bash him on. You clearly don't know your audience very well, try tailoring your hit piece better next time. K thanks bye.


He's new to this whole selling out his soul, people and nation for a worthless piece of paper. Gotta give him a break. He'll try better next time! People like him are the type to kick a puppy or spit on someone when they're down. They LOVE it. It gives them POWER!



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by kipfilet
No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics takes Ron Paul seriously.


No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics can possibly do anything but take Ron Paul seriously.

/TOA


Ron Pauls lack of understanding is astounding. He doesnt know what the Fed does and wants it abolished. Cutting out most government agencies will harm the middle class. NO oversight by the government will allow monopolies and fraud. National defense will be gone. Freedom will then subside.
If Ron Paul got his way he would turn the USA into Mexico or worse, Nigeria.


Not true, it's astounding that 1 in DC does know what the FED is up to, and has the stones to say it knowing what happened to JFK for same. Hence the abolishment of said private bank's control of our monetary policies. Doing thus would hurt the deep pockets of those in complicity to the scam. The only class that will be harmed is those who decided to work for the government. Since our government has made it more profitable for corporations to ship all jobs overseas to use slave labor, and the only work to be found here is with government. Nice dependency scam there.

We have tons and tons of oversight now, by them, over themselves. And we have tons of monopolies and fraud.
National defense? We have none. What we do have, is military, over seas, protecting the interests of corporations and banks not you or I from foreign invasions. And yes we have been invaded, toll roads, telecommunications, National preserves, banks are all bought up by foreign entities bent on domination by regulation. Oh, thats a good bumper sticker. "Domination by Regulation". heh

Freedom has subsided without Paul. And we are now turning into Mexico and worse. And this is not attributed at all to Paul's Constitutional views. It's the lack of those views that got us in this mess. I know, I know we are great and nothing is amiss. I get your point of view on this. Though it is not correct. Hell in a hand basket comes to mind.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Ron specifically said in an interview that his son is known as Rand due to passion for Rands Objectivist ideals.


And I WATCHED Rand state in a video that he was not. He stated that he made the interview to squelch the rumors. However both Ron & Rand know of Ayn Rand and admired her.


Second dealing with Corporatism.

First get rid of the FED and you cut off their balls. It is a heck of a lot harder to buy influence when you have to pay for it out of YOUR pocket and not the tax payers. It is also a heck of a lot harder to do what JBS Swift just did (see below)

Second, the basis of power is the cabinet heads appointed by the President. That is why farmers hoped to get rid of Bush's Monsanto puppet as head of the USDA and were horrified by Obama appointing ANOTHER Monsanto puppet in his place. We were all hoping for someone more farmer friendly.

Unfortunately knowledgeable people like Blake Hurst are out on a combine. So we are left with Ari-intellectual College Professors or Corporate puppets.

Oh and Gorgi, I, like Mr. Hurst, use what works. I use "organic methods" when I can and herbicides and pesticides as needed - sparingly. My goal is to keep my farm as productive as possible over the long term with the lowest capital input. It is highly stupid to do otherwise. That means my animals are grass fed most of the time but put up in a barn (and fed grain) to keep the predators from grabbing the babies as they are born and so they produce healthy babies.

When not restingin front of the computer, I am putting up more predator resistant fence.

Government regulation will change all that. I will be told how to raise my animals. There will be no room for innovation because if it is not done to "code" I will be fined/jailed. I have already had a go round with a USDA inspector about fencing. She doesn't like the newest innovative PROVEN electric fencing by Premier Sheep. and instructed me to use the old fencing that WILL NOT stop predators.

The regulations were already written by WTO/OIE in 2005 and waiting to be implemented in a "Food Safety Modernization Act. (first try in 2005) They will be implemented in 2012. You can read them HERE:

The original 2005 draft guide to good farming practices: xstatic99645.tripod.com...

Final Draft: www.oie.int...

The third weapon against the Corporate Cartels is our anti-monopoly laws. No one seems to bother to use them much any more so I do not know if Ron Paul will or not.

This is a rare glimpse into what is going on:
JBS Swift, a Brazilian company owned by the Batista family, planned to buy National Beef and Smithfield Beef, which will make them the largest corporation in the beef industry. The merger would, reduce the number of major beef processors from five to three in the USA.
The STATEMENT OF DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE is all nice touchy feelly gobbledy-gook about "protecting" farmers and Consumers but actions speak louder than words.

I had a tough time finding anything about the actual decision made by DOJ, I just kept getting the same touchy feelly gobbledy-gook

FINALLY I found this from a favorite group of mine, R-CALF USA

... Unfortunately, the Justice Department, then under the leadership of former President
George Bush, did not heed Chairman Kohl’s advice and JBS Swift was allowed to acquire Five
Rivers. As a result, JBS Swift is not only one of the three largest beef packers that collectively
control approximately 67 percent of the U.S. fed cattle market, 5 but also, JBS Swift is the single
largest cattle feeder that, together with only 29 other large cattle feeding operations – including
McElhaney Cattle Company – may, if the 2004 prediction by beef industry analyst Harlan
Ritchie, PhD, is accurate, now control over 50 percent of all fed cattle feeding in the United
States...
R-CALF USA’s Request to the U.S. Department of Justice for Enforcement Action Against the Announced Acquisition of McElhaney Cattle Company by JBS S.A.

So much for the Government protecting us.

A very informative PDF on WHO JBS Swift is and the world consolidation of beef packing: www.pro.poli.usp.br...


I just wonder HOW a piddling little 2 mill a year privately owned company suddenly became the largest in the world.....



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by TKDRL
Damn, I flagged this dumbass thread by accident... Can a supermod take my flag back if that is possible....

The erosion of our freedoms has happened slowly over time, one person is not going to sigle handedly reverse all the damage. Most Ron Paul supporters know this.... But if we don't start repairing some of the damage fast, this ship might just sink.


With Ron Paul as president our country would sink like a led balloon. Our freedoms have not been eroded over time, they have increased. Before the end of the civil war, people were slaves. Is that freedom. Woman could not vote. Is that freedom ? Is that what you want? a return to the good old days. Slavery was in the US constitution.Does DR. Paul support slavery ? I was in it.


Wow, you might have been better off, stopping while you were behind.
Freedoms have increased? Holy, fracking, Hana.
If you think we are not all slaves right the frack now, you are wrong. We are born slaves to the debt of our government. They sold us to the highest loaner. And you think Paul will somehow reinstate in your face slavery if elected. Why when the behind the back slavery is working so well. He is against servitude in every form. This is just Johnny Nonsense and Tom Foolery now.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Sure, that is why even in academic economics, where political interests are not properly the dominating force....


Where the heck did you get THAT nonsense??? Corporations and specifically the bankers have been FUNDING colleges for DECADES! What better way to brainwash the sheeple than to catch them young and feed them propaganda.

This mess did not just blow up overnight it has been in the works for generations. Until you grasp the concept that we are looking at influential families working over generations and controlling education, the news media, the economy AND politics you will never see the "whole elephant"


Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., notes:


"J. Laurence Laughlin, Chairman of the Executive Committee of the National Citizens’ League since its organization, has returned to his position as professor of political economics in the University of Chicago. In June, 1911, Professor Laughlin was given a year’s leave from the university, that he might give all of his time to the campaign of education undertaken by the League . . . He has worked indefatigably, and it is largely due to his efforts and his persistence that the campaign enters the final stage with flattering prospects of a successful outcome . . . The reader knows that the University of Chicago is an institution endowed by John D. Rockefeller, with nearly fifty million dollars."12 www.apfn.org...


J.P. Morgan funded Harvard University

Here is the opinion of a former IMF official at MIT


from MIT Sloan School of Management Newsroom:

.... MIT Sloan School of Management Professor Simon Johnson warns in a new book that a “new financial oligarchy” threatens not only the nation’s economy, but its political core.

In 13 Bankers: The Wall Street Takeover and the Next Financial Meltdown, Johnson, says the book provides “the back story” for the 2008 financial crisis “and for all the issues being raised now around financial reform. We hope the book helps people have a badly needed conversation about what we must do to push back against dangerous, narrow interest groups that now threaten our economic well-being.”

In 13 Bankers, Johnson, a former chief economist for the International Monetary Fund, and co-author
James Kwak cite historical precedents and offer financial analysis to conclude that a second financial shock is inevitable unless the financial and political stranglehold held on Washington by the nation’s biggest banks is broken.
“The best defense against a massive financial crisis is a popular consensus that too big to fail is too big to exist,” the authors write. “This is at its heart a question of politics, not of economics or of regulatory technicalities.”

.... mitworld.mit.edu...


So even if they do not agree on Ron Paul's solution, they certainly identified the same problem - 13 bankers!



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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Ron specifically said in an interview that his son is known as Rand due to passion for Rands Objectivist ideals.


And I WATCHED Rand state in a video that he was not. He stated that he made the interview to squelch the rumors. However both Ron & Rand know of Ayn Rand and admired her.


Ayn Rand is far, far, far right. She has very little sympathy by anyone and her "objectivism" leaves an awful lot to be desired. Of course both rand and ron paul admire her, so I say stay away from both pauls. Just because they want to abolish the FEd and want a much smaller government does not mean they know everything. Actually they know very little.

The Pauls are controlled opposition to any conspiracy theorist with at least half a brain. Afterall he would not be running as a republican if he was not elitist. The only difference between ron and rand paul versus mainstream republicans is they want an even smaller government and are against foreign intervention. Bravo, at least they got SOMETHING right.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by LexiconRiot

Please be bothered to look up The Battle at Blair Mountain. Look up the history of West Virginian Coal Miners. See how the anti-union corps had a para military that operated above the law.

This was made possible by a country that had outgrown its government. Small government on a large scale simply leaves the door open for abuses of this nature.

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If you want to know whats going on look up Cultural Imperialism and Class Dominance theory. It is all about how a group of few uses the media to gather the resources and control the many. A basic intro to mass communication class teaches this. Being that I am a writer for the media and a Marketing Major. i see more of it than most.

However I know very little on economic theories. Please do not lump me in with other dissidents. I agree with the Paul folks who see things are not working. I just differ that things can not be fixed with a return to the past in government as the country moves forward. We must make progress not regress into a time of less rights and freedoms.


First, thank you for the compliment. I blush.

Yes, the Battle of Blair Mountain is as much a part of American history as a military battle. And the battle for citizen rights and living conditions continues in the coal regions Appallachian Voices.

Let's say a person lives in a nice sized, comfortable house. They leave for church one day, returning to discover that robbers have stolen their money and ransacked their home. Do they cry that it was the fault of the house and the house needs to be torn down and rebuilt smaller? No, one goes after the crooks and provides more safeguards to make sure it doesn't happen again. Of course, crooks constantly learn how to pick new locks, so there must be eternal vigilance, but against the robbers, not the scary looking neighbor next door or in another city.

One area for working together..

Even though fellow Texan, Jim Hightower, would like to unleash Ron Paul on the Fed, and for years I've followed JHs commentaries, I would not unleash RP on much else.

Ron Paul comes with too much baggage with labels I disagree with. Reason for not voting RP



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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The necessary security....omg

I went thru a checkpoint very recently. There was a line of about 100 people. The checkpoint had 4 lanes, but they wise ones were only using 2. On each side were roughly 15 agents and one additonal checking ID's. It took 90 minutes to get thru that damn line.
Every couple minutes some frustrated agent would yell at the crowd telling them how to make the line move faster. I wanted to yell back..."why don't you @#$@#% open the other 2 lanes and get all those agents of their @%#@%. "

That was just one security checkpoint at a very large airport....necessary?

Hey the Big Arabian Instigator is supposedly dead now. Can we please go back to private airport security and local law enforcement at airports? No? We need more agents and dehumanizing procedures at airports for our faithful citizens? Awh shucks, just checking.







 
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