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Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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People keep saying that Ron Paul is for the US constitution. The US constitution allowed slavery. Is he for that ?
You all keep saying that hes going to restore the freedom and go back to the "good old days" In the good old days slavery was legal and women could not vote. Is that what he wants ?

The government ended child labor, regulated food. Any one here ever hear of "The Jungle" by Sinclair ? How about monopolies ? With no government regulation, corporations will own everything and everybody.

Is this what Ron Paul stands for ?




posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Are you stupid? The constitution didn't allow any of that... States decided that, and if you didn't like it, you could move to a state more to your liking.....



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Are you retarded? Is that freedom? My god, you make my blood boil. In the US I had to pay a crazy ammount of money, every year for property tax.... I pay less here in canada per year, than I paid in NY per month. In NY I had to ask my town wether or not I could put a fence or shed in my own yard. Here I only have to get a permit if I put another level on my house. Freedom my balls, you sir are a troll.


Property tax rates vary form state to state. The value of land varies by place. I see why Canada's property tax is cheap. No one wants to live there. I make you blood boil ? Dont live in NY. Go to a small farm in IO and it will be much cheaper. Moving to NY and expecting it to be cheap is your fault.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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Moving to NY.... I lived in NY from the time i was 4, until I was 28.....



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Are you stupid? The constitution didn't allow any of that... States decided that, and if you didn't like it, you could move to a state more to your liking.....


Slavery was in the US constitution.13th amendment abolished it.
16th allowed an income tax.
19th gave women the right to vote.

This is ture.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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Glad your so wealthy. Better a troll than an ignoramus fool. Try digging harder into your soul in finding what makes you so much better than the rest of us; Most of us only want equality and freedom. You apparently want to be above the crust and field your upper crust enthusiasm upon us poor trolls. How happy I am that you have found solace in reaching your unapproachable "Queendomhood".



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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The government has forced children to take Ritalin and other psych drugs, they force psych patients to take psych drugs, and manhunts have been mounted and people have been imprisoned for refusing chemotherapy for their children.


Yes, and parents are forced to make their children take these drugs as well or have their children taken from them by force by CPS, or they are told they must comply in order for the child to attend classes. They are pressured by the schools, both public and private. In addition, parents are pressured to make their kids have vaccines such as Hepatitis B and Gardasil.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 03:10 AM
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Umm what? Who said I am wealthy? What are you talking about?



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 03:17 AM
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Sorry, meant for another poster. Slip of the fingers. My apologies.

Go Ron Paul!



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by TKDRL
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Are you retarded? Is that freedom? My god, you make my blood boil. In the US I had to pay a crazy ammount of money, every year for property tax.... I pay less here in canada per year, than I paid in NY per month. In NY I had to ask my town wether or not I could put a fence or shed in my own yard. Here I only have to get a permit if I put another level on my house. Freedom my balls, you sir are a troll.


Property tax rates vary form state to state. The value of land varies by place. I see why Canada's property tax is cheap. No one wants to live there. I make you blood boil ? Dont live in NY. Go to a small farm in IO and it will be much cheaper. Moving to NY and expecting it to be cheap is your fault.


Gordi, where in the hell is IO?

Look Gordi/LexiconRiot, you have trolled a good troll.
You, by all senses have never ran a business, as if you did using the economic practices you preach, would have failed very quickly.
You more then likely do not have family to run/provide for, as using the same stated econ practices would be on the street and destitute.
I do like how the Gordi account argued with the LexiconRiot account, very good touch.
Nothing you have stated holds water. Everything you posed as fact, is spoon fed dribble from Socialist/Marxist Economic Theorist with no real world application behind them.
I wonder if I, or anyone has the time to research the Econ prof that pitched to you the idea that America would take the path of Somalia, if Ron Paul were to become president. I am sure that that path would lead to some different places.
You have made a fatal flaw, you came here spouting nonsense with the idea that people here would not only buy into your crap, but would not do their research into your statements and you.

I truly do feel for you, if these is how you view the world. With your theories, the country it is applied too would fail and burn to the ground. Everything you have pitched, has been tried in one form or another and failed miserably, with massive negative affects.
You have a lot to learn in life.
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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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IT is the blind spot which Paul cannot rectify, his sons name is Rand...


Actually his son's name is Randal Howard Paul


If you ever bothered to watch Atlas Shrugged Part I, you would see that Ayn Rand very clearly shows "corporatism" as "evil" and anti productive. She clearly differentiates that from capitalism (innovation and wealth creation)

I really would suggest watching it with an open mind because it depicts what has been happenning today.

The long battle over Monsanto's "Food Safety Modernization Act" immediately comes to mind.




Oh I can do retarded eyes too

Ron specifically said in an interview that his son is known as Rand due to passion for Rands Objectivist ideals.

oooops

Not one person in this thread has been able to tell me what tool/s in Paul's ideological arsenal, are capable of addressing corporatism??? The answer is none, zero, zilch, because Ron sees business as a net positive and because of his non interventionist perspective corporations will take extreme advantage. There is a naïvety
around here that can boarder on complete denial...

Can a passivist policeman stop an armed robbery with passivity?

How about if you make monetary bribes of policemen perfectly legal?

It is a irresponsible disrespect of balance, Paul is not able to examine the practical execution of his political solutions, because in some cases the solutions suck



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Huge Ron Paul threads become a disaster.....

Ron Paul supporters can get violent..

No one has to worry if he is wrong or right

he will never become POTUS....

END of STORY



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Where is your evidence of violence?

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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by kipfilet
No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics takes Ron Paul seriously.


No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics can possibly do anything but take Ron Paul seriously.

/TOA


Ron Pauls lack of understanding is astounding. He doesnt know what the Fed does and wants it abolished. Cutting out most government agencies will harm the middle class. NO oversight by the government will allow monopolies and fraud. National defense will be gone. Freedom will then subside.
If Ron Paul got his way he would turn the USA into Mexico or worse, Nigeria.


How about, since you don't believe Ron Paul has what it takes to run the country, you tell us who you think is qualified and why.

/TOA



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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Do we really want to repeat of the bloody history of corporate oppression. At least with the government we have a voice no matter how splintered the political realm gets.


WHAT????


And I suggest YOU read a bit of REAL history too. The oppression is no longer "bloody" here in the USA because the bankers and Corporations ARE the government now. Instead they just starved to death nine million children worldwide in 2008

This is no coincidence. As that well researched article shows the Committee for Economic Development, established in 1942, has changed the entire landscape of US social structure to "be better organized to fit to business needs" They made decades long plans and then use the news media, universities and politics to see they were implemented.


Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn't help but congratulate itself in another agricultural report called "A New US Farm Policy for Changing World Food Needs"


And so we have nine million children starving as a direct result of that "New" CED policy.

Bill Clinton, now the UN Special Envoy to Haiti, publicly apologized last month for forcing Haiti to drop tariffs on imported, subsidized US rice during his time in office. The policy wiped out Haitian rice farming and seriously damaged Haiti’s ability to be self-sufficient.



Regulation is used to PREVENT competition NOT prevent abuses. As a Chemist working in industry I can point to fields where hazardous chemicals were buried AFTER OSHA and EPA. I KNOW certs of Analysis were falsified so substandard material could be shipped "Just-in-Time" (leading to three planes crashing) and I pointed out to management problems that later caused incidents were corporations KNOWINGLY hurt or killed people.

"Whistle Blowing" ???? HA
Take it from me and some of my friends, it is a great way to get blackballed and never ever get another job during your life-time. My spouse has not been able to get a job either.


This is very typical of what we are seeing in the USA:

....General Electric CEO Jeffery Immelt was tapped to lead a newly created Council on Jobs and Competitiveness....

Immelt, who will now have the president’s ear in an advisory role, has consistently supported the same failed trade policies that have cost America millions of jobs. As the leader of one of the world’s largest companies, he has been at the forefront of the outsourcing movement.

“You would have difficulty finding a company that has outsourced more jobs and closed more American factories than GE,” Scott Paul, Executive Director of the Alliance for American Manufacturing writes. “While they have slashed their American workforce to fewer than 150,000, GE has dramatically expanded its global presence, now employing over 300,000 workers worldwide.”

In the past, Immelt was a vocal supporter for China’s entry into the World Trade Organization. He also spoke out against the proposed “buy American” provision.

Immelt, Daley and Sperling certainly do not represent the “change” the president was fond of referring to in 2008. In fact, all three represent more of the same - failed trade policies that result in the loss of millions of jobs.


Google [government corporate revolving door] and you will get an eyeful this is just one.


This page highlights the revolving door between U.S. government agencies, the U.S. Congress, and the pharmaceutical industry. The following former government officials now work at IFPMA, PhRMA, or law firms and lobbying firms that represent the pharmaceutical industry.... www.cptech.org...


I won't even try to count the number of people listed because the list is just too long.

Food and Water Watch had a huge PDF documenting the billions of dollars and corporate employees used to literally RUN the FDA and USDA for the benefit of a few corporations. Since they and their sister organization, Organic Consumers Assoc., receive funding from corporate foundations, that page and Organic Consumers chart, showing the large jump in food born illness right after WTO was ratified and HACCP was instituted, soon disappeared off the internet. Both organizations then eagerly supported Monsanto's Food Safety Modernization Act, going so far as to implement a disinfo campaign against John Munsell, Linn Cohen-Cole and the rest.


Those regulations you are so fond of do not apply to the big guys. Heck the news doesn't even cover the stories because the advertising dollars see the maverick reporters are fired (google Monsanto Derry Brownfield- may that brave warrior R.I.P.)

Here are three companion pieces:
motherjones.com...

foodwhistleblower.org...

Here is an investigative report researched and written by GAP Legal Director, Tom Devine.
SHIELDING THE GIANTS: details some of the abuse.

Our own Sanchoearlyjones here at ATS commented how the EPA told his brother, an EPA employee, to leave the big oil companies alone and go after the Mom & Pop's.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by kipfilet
No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics takes Ron Paul seriously.


No offense meant, but no person with a basic knowledge of modern economics can possibly do anything but take Ron Paul seriously.

/TOA


Sure, that is why even in academic economics, where political interests are not properly the dominating force, Ron Paul is still regarded as a fringe agitator with no real understanding of how the monetary system works. Just ask any academic economist who is not affiliated with George Mason University.


It is sad that anyone has been brainwashed by the banking cartels that the paper that they print out of thin air, at their discretion, is in some way valuable beyond their meme that it is.

Putting the creation of money in the hands of government or a private banking cartel like the "Federal" Reserve with the Bernankopod at the helm is a recipe for the abuse of that power. Note the distribution of wealth in the US right now.

Physical gold and silver are money, paper printed at the whim of tyrants is not.

Sure, just check the distribution of wealth between fiat money was adopted. It was considerably worse than what it is now. Oh well, but you did not live during that time, so never mind. If there is something fiat money allowed for is for the rise and etsablishment of a strong middle class, the engine of economic and social growth. We would be stuck in pre-industrial stagnation if fiat money had not appeared. That is why the industrial revolution came hand by hand with the modernisation of the monetary system (which has fiat money at its pinnacle). You will surely redirect me to hundreds of studies of dubious nature, proclaiming the conspirational nature of the evolution of the global monetary system in the last 300 years, and of how it was manipulated by reptilians and the Roswell grays. I prefer to trust in logic, rational thinking and to rely on the tools and serious scientific learning that I absorbed during grad school. Scientific articles > what you read in the internet. Just look at Zeitgeist: they present the money multiplier as the greatest conspiracy in history, while any 18-year old taking a basic course in macroeconomics learns and understands its nature, and why it needs to exist for sustained growth to be maintained.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by backinblack

Ron Paul didn't suddenly get "Dropped In" as you put it..
He's been there for decades following the same morals and supporting the people..


Oh right, so he is more like President Nader than President Perot?



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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Need proof of the corruption of fiat? The mortgages of the entirety of America could have been paid off for the cost of TARP and QE1 and QE2. But instead our children have been saddled with an impossible to pay ponzi debt.


It is a heck of a lot worse than just that. The AIG bailout let the bankers have their cake and eat it too - get the entire "loan" paid off AND get the foreclosed property - at tax payer expense of course.

Obama's "loan modification plan" was never about "saving the home owner" it was all about making sure the bankers could force more people into foreclosure! All those people eating hamburger helper and ramen noodles to make sure they could pay their mortgage but who would never have defaulted were the real target.

The key point in the scam is that the GOVERNMENT AGENT puts you into a "trial modification" with lower payments. This is the I GOTTCHA.

Then the bank requests paperwork. The paperwork is never correct the first time and no one bothers to tell you to submit the ENTIRE PACKAGE all over again. Meanwhile months have passed. Finally when enough time has passed AND the bank figures out if your loan is covered by AIG CDS "insurance" you are told you do not qualify therefore we want ALL the back payments owed plus penalties PLUS LAWYER FEES all due in 30 days. Most families do not have the ability to come up with $10,000 $20,000 or more in thirty days especially those eating ramen noodles and hamburger helper.

Some people might have enough assets they can sell or family that will help.

This is where the fun really begins because the bank will not tell you the exact amount owed!!!!

It took my lawyer six months to finally pin the idiots down and get a straight answer on the exact amount owed.

Here is the reason for the scam:


... “Mortgage-backed securities (MBS) are divided into value-based groups, known as tranches,” explains Parker, writing on the Mortgage Law Network. “Senior investors, who are typically financial institutions, own the AAA tranches that are insured against default by AIG, and they WANT to foreclose on the Middle Class so that insurance payments kick in. Conversely, the junior tranche investors want workouts with homeowners because their investment is not insured.
 
“To ensure that the mortgage servicer pushes default instead of workout, the servicer is paid double (50 basis points versus 25 basis points) by the MBS to service a loan in default. Why do you think your servicer tells you that you must be in default before it will consider a mortgage modification, a practice known as invited default?
 
“Simply put,” says Parker, “the government bailout of AIG has actually encouraged foreclosures because the taxpayers continue to fill AIG’s coffers with enough cash to pay out insurance on defaulted home loans.”
www.realtytrac.com...


Yes my son, the Government is really here to help you [/sarc] out of everything you own!



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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In its current form the government is more opposed to BIG business than it used to be. All you Media stories don't prove history. Incorrect it only illustrates your point.

Please be bothered to look up The Battle at Blair Mountain. Look up the history of West Virginian Coal Miners. See how the anti-union corps had a para military that operated above the law.

This was made possible by a country that had outgrown its government. Small government on a large scale simply leaves the door open for abuses of this nature.

It is amusing that even when presented with TRUE historical facts about the effects of what Paul wants you pro-Paul types claim none are given. You refuse to look up anything that contradicts your POV . If i try hard enough I too can find supporting evidence that Big Foot steals dogs.

Gorgi and I are not the same person. Your attempts at discrediting my opinion by calling it trolling is so very Murdokian.(Rupert Murdock would be proud.) Those you can't prove wrong with facts you throw dirt on in hopes to muddy the waters.I used to go by FaithMender on this site. My old email got hacked and I did not post for weeks because nothing really peaked my interest. If you wish to speak with me directly I am on xbox live as LexiconRiot.

If you want to know whats going on look up Cultural Imperialism and Class Dominance theory. It is all about how a group of few uses the media to gather the resources and control the many. A basic intro to mass communication class teaches this. Being that I am a writer for the media and a Marketing Major. i see more of it than most.

However I know very little on economic theories. Please do not lump me in with other dissidents. I agree with the Paul folks who see things are not working. I just differ that things can not be fixed with a return to the past in government as the country moves forward. We must make progress not regress into a time of less rights and freedoms.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Yeah, I know consumption taxes capture revenue from those who have come to believe themselves exempt from financially supporting our government,


If you got rid of the vampires (FED) sucking the life blood out of the country then the "poor" could AFFORD to pay a bit towards the support of the government. Heck they already do in the "hidden taxes"

In 1992 I once added up all the overt taxes I paid in a year. I had just started a small business, so I had all the records. The amount was 64.5% of my income! This was actual in you face taxes not all the hidden taxes.


....If people need any more concrete explanation of this, start with the staff of life, a loaf of bread. The simplest thing; the poorest man must have it.

Well, there are 151 taxes now in the price of a loaf of bread — it accounts for more than half the cost of a loaf of bread. It begins with the first tax, on the farmer that raised the wheat. Any simpleton can understand that if that farmer cannot get enough money for his wheat, to pay the property tax on his farm, he can’t be a farmer. He loses his farm. And so it is with the fellow who pays a driver’s license and a gasoline tax to drive the truckload of wheat to the mill, the miller who has to pay everything from social security tax, business license, everything else. He has to make his living over and above those costs. So they all wind up in that loaf of bread. Now an egg isn’t far behind and nobody had to make that.

There’s a hundred taxes in an egg by the time it gets to market and you know the chicken didn’t put them there!

- Ronald Regan 1975




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