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Ron Paul A Distaster For The USA. Hes Always Wrong. Why Is There So Much Love For Him ? Wrong Paul

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posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by TheMalefactor
Since ATS is incapable of logical debate (well a few people are acting reasonably), let me add my own flavor of froth to the the rant. ...



That is all.


Thats an excellent way of summing it up.


Oh, I get it. Hahahahaaaahahhaaahahaha! It's so clever when somebody puts up a photo-shopped image of somebody they are trying to discredit! See?! Now I know he's soooooooo crazy that he belongs in an insane asylum! Haaahahahaha! So clever! So fresh! So smart! Did you guys think of that on your own? Amazing! I bet you can win any argument with that picture in the future so you better have that one ready for embedding on every Ron Paul thread! Wooo... almost peed myself in the presence of such genius.




posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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The great thing about Ron Paul is that he doesn't change his opinions on things based on current polling data. Show me any other politician that will stand his ground like that. He has my vote in the next election based on that integrity.

To the OP, I worked with a guy one time that spouted the same stuff your initial post stated, After talking to this guy in detail he came out and told me he would describe himself as a Communist. After I informed him that he could in no way condone Communism without living it, he backtracked and said he was an extreme Socialist. Socialism does not nor will it ever work, we have case studies throughout history and the world that demonstrates that. Socialism taken too far results in Communism, which is where we are headed if we don't reign in the Government now.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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There really isnt any reason to debate these people about the way the country is being run. High unemployment, the dollar is losing more value everyday. The housing market sucks. We are the most unfriendly country when it comes to taxing and regulating businesses. If we decrease the size of government and stop this outragous spending, we'll have more jobs created. The government can not creat jobs and expect to survive. Thats as simple as it gets. Ron Paul 2012



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by croweboy
The great thing about Ron Paul is that he doesn't change his opinions on things based on current polling data. Show me any other politician that will stand his ground like that. He has my vote in the next election based on that integrity.

To the OP, I worked with a guy one time that spouted the same stuff your initial post stated, After talking to this guy in detail he came out and told me he would describe himself as a Communist. After I informed him that he could in no way condone Communism without living it, he backtracked and said he was an extreme Socialist. Socialism does not nor will it ever work, we have case studies throughout history and the world that demonstrates that. Socialism taken too far results in Communism, which is where we are headed if we don't reign in the Government now.


I'm one of those people. I believe in socialism on a small scale (if a state wanted it). But on a federal level, I'm all about capitalism and free market.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
There really isnt any reason to debate these people about the way the country is being run. High unemployment, the dollar is losing more value everyday. The housing market sucks. We are the most unfriendly country when it comes to taxing and regulating businesses. If we decrease the size of government and stop this outragous spending, we'll have more jobs created. The government can not creat jobs and expect to survive. Thats as simple as it gets. Ron Paul 2012


We are too friendly when it comes to taxes. the taxes are so small and theres so many loops holes that its hurting the country. The country is still doing great but a high tax rate will make it better. Our unemployment rate is decreasing all the time, Theres minor bumps but its decreasing overall.
The dollar has declined but its not doing bad at all, its nothing that would be considered unusual.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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The United States is a Republic in theory. Republics do not require a consolidated Central Power. They only need the minimum of Federal Governments, the States maintain the rest.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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There won't be enough money to sustain the government through a national sales tax? Good! All the more reason to drop the income tax; the ultimate antithesis to the notions of liberty and property.

I smell mis/disinformation agent in with this thread..



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by croweboy
The great thing about Ron Paul is that he doesn't change his opinions on things based on current polling data. Show me any other politician that will stand his ground like that. He has my vote in the next election based on that integrity.

To the OP, I worked with a guy one time that spouted the same stuff your initial post stated, After talking to this guy in detail he came out and told me he would describe himself as a Communist. After I informed him that he could in no way condone Communism without living it, he backtracked and said he was an extreme Socialist. Socialism does not nor will it ever work, we have case studies throughout history and the world that demonstrates that. Socialism taken too far results in Communism, which is where we are headed if we don't reign in the Government now.


I never stated that Paul backtracks. He has been more or less steady. It just means that he refuses to acknowledge facts that do no agree with his way of thinking.

HE has your vote because he doesn't backtrack ? Wouldnt you want omeone who knows when he is wrong and acknowledges that ? Or someone who refuses to be wrong? That will end in a disaster.

Im not talking about communism. I dont like communism. Its wrong and fails. We can have a strong central republican form of government like we have now and still be free.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Imyourchuckleberry
reply to post by gorgi
 


There won't be enough money to sustain the government through a national sales tax? Good! All the more reason to drop the income tax; the ultimate antithesis to the notions of liberty and property.

I smell mis/disinformation agent in with this thread..


No our government is not the antithesis of liberty. If it was, you wouldnt have the right to post ideas like you are posting.

I have already been outed before as a disinfo agent, we are easy to spot.. Read the other posts.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
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The United States is a Republic in theory. Republics do not require a consolidated Central Power. They only need the minimum of Federal Governments, the States maintain the rest.


Romans had a form of a republic. Fast forward to present day and you will find that it is very different time and requires a different take on things.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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I dont think you understood my post. It's about his integrity, he has it, few other politicians do.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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.....we had a republic? We are still a republic in name. You've shown repeatedly you have very little understanding of history, economics and political theory.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by croweboy
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I dont think you understood my post. It's about his integrity, he has it, few other politicians do.


The guy does flip flop. He is a doctor but does not believe in evolution. He might just say it because thats what his base wants to hear?
Sometimes he bashes immigration, sometimes he praises it.

For the most part he does stick to his guns. I suppose if you like that.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by croweboy
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I dont think you understood my post. It's about his integrity, he has it, few other politicians do.


The guy does flip flop. He is a doctor but does not believe in evolution. He might just say it because thats what his base wants to hear?
Sometimes he bashes immigration, sometimes he praises it.

For the most part he does stick to his guns. I suppose if you like that.


This is not true. He's been consistent with that, too. He supports stopping undocumented immigrants from crossing the border and he doesn't even want it to be retroactive. He believes in immigration through the proper channels and wants those channels to be streamlined, as well. That is not "flip-flop".

And on evolution, he simply referred to it as a theory. Which it is. Even proponents of evolution state it is a theory. Because it is. Hardly a political point, in any case.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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YOUR WAY OFF on lots of things. Listen Ron Paul is no messiah and yes he belongs to the right of the political spectrum, BUT he says many truths that no one else dares mention. Let me debunk your post one sentence at a time..............


Originally posted by gorgi
Ron Paul has been constantly wrong on most stuff relating to the economy. His ideas of what he wants to do to the country will destroy it.

Ron Paul says he wants a smaller government. I suppose he doesnt realize what his actions will do to the country. He says he wants to get rid of many government agencies including the DOE, DHS, IRS, FEMA, DHHS, and the federal reserve.. What is he thinking? These are horrible ideas. The DOE oversees the US energy, inspections, research ect. The DHS keeps us safe. FEMA responds to disasters. The federal reserve is a very important body of the government. Doesnt he realize that by abolishing this he will destroy the country?


DOE runs the national laboratories and the ufo reverse engineering program in conjunction with the pentagon. Look up project aquarias, the jason group and comm12! It is estimated that approximately half a trillion per year goes to the black budget with no or little congressional supervision........yet republicans want to cut medicare and medicaid which takes care of the elderly and sick. Not fair!

FEMA used to be an indepedent agency prior to the 9-11 false flag operation to destroy the constitution and make even more money for the military-industrial complex under the so called "war on terror". Two bogus wars and lots of death on all sides plus the wasted trillions. Then they gave us DHS and the Patriot Act which consolidated power without reducing redundancy as it was supposedly intended to. No one likes DHS, not even the people who work for it due to the unusually high beauracracy associated with the program. Very little if any oversight!

The IRS and Federal Reserve ARE PRIVATE central banks, not just independent! That means they are classified as private corporations either for profit or religious in nature. It all goes back to the knights templar, the holy crusades and THE EVIL CONTROL of "christianity" when rome took over. Very little of the money collected by the IRS actually goes to good causes as most of it IS WASTED to pay the prime rate to the global banking establishment and then to the treasury bond investors. In short its a scam of the first degree........



The federal reserve is what keeps the US government going. We need a strong independent federal reserve. Studies have shown that the more independent that are the lower the inflation rate is. He keeps calling the Fed wrong or that Bernanke doesnt know what hes doing but thats just plain wrong. He also wants to bring back the gold standard but thats another failure too.


What #en studies man? Jesus Christ why do people keep drinking that koolaid? Independent banking IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!! If independent banking is so good then why does a pack of cigarrates that costed 40 cents back in the 50s now cost $4? Why does a loaf of bread that costed 10 cents now cost $2? Inflation keeps going up because new money is constantly introduced by the Federal Reserve or ECB! Everytime there is a recession banks have to borrow and pay a prime rate in order to make money or at least break even. During a booming market they simply "recycle"/profit from the existing money supply. Boom-Bust, bear market-bull market, real estate bubbles, stock market bubbles..........its all part of capitalism including war. Just listen to Rand Inc say we need WW3 to stimulate the economy as thought we need billions to die so the stupid economy can get back on track. That is #in retarded as hell! Am I the one that needs to point it out to all you mole rats?


He voted against the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Does he want another Enron scandal ?


The SEC and Anti-Trust laws have evolved into a complete and utter SICK JOKE! I don't even want to talk about this at all. Thanks!


He wants to get rid of the income tax and fun the government through tariffs. Thats insane. Tariffs reduce trade and there will not be enough money to fun the government. His idea of a small government does not work in the twenty-first century, maybe in in the 1800's.


So free UNBALANCED capitalism is best? Leave all the corporations to go to asia so they can EXPLOIT locals for $1 an hour, leave our borders WIDE OPEN so latin americans can take the remainder of our pathetic jobs so they don't have to pay them minimum wages(which are too low to begin with). WTF is anyone going to find a job at? Maybe Walmart? Who is going to pay 2-3 times more for any given product when they can buy a bangladeshi shirt, a made in china RCA tv or a Sony playstation made in taiwan? Why even bother go to work, lets all go on welfare so the federal government and states can go borrow more money from the bankers to pay us welfare?

Its a vicious cycle of all the jobs going overseas and corporations declaring profits overseas, paying less to no taxes in america, people jobless thus needing unemployment benefits or welfare thus government goes more and more into the hole.

WAKE THE HELL UP



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by wardk28
There really isnt any reason to debate these people about the way the country is being run. High unemployment, the dollar is losing more value everyday. The housing market sucks. We are the most unfriendly country when it comes to taxing and regulating businesses. If we decrease the size of government and stop this outragous spending, we'll have more jobs created. The government can not creat jobs and expect to survive. Thats as simple as it gets. Ron Paul 2012


If Our Tax rates were so unfriendly how does GE get at tax refund? The problem with the IRS is that it is underfunded! We should go after tax cheats more often. While we clamor with the size argument we lose sight of the real issues!The crushing debt is facilitated by poor immigration laws, tax frauds and the super rich getting refunds instead of paying their way. The erosion of the middle class is being facilitated by price gouging and setting. Oligopolies are evil and control our "free market". It is cultural imperialism and class dominance. Simply put we turn our eyes on the government for blame of the evils committed by the manipulation of the Corps. Civil liberties should be observed but the greater issue is that lobbiests from BIG business have our politicians in their pockets.

Again REFORM not BREAK.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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I can't believe our schools are producing such ignorant fools and/or idiots these days. It defies my comprehension ability! To be fair though its seems lower profile colleges and universities give students a better education in common sense than the big ones, especially the so called "ivy # league".

Total and absolute morons from "ivy league". No joking either!!!!!!



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion regardless of how silly I find it..


Facts? Yes, let's talk about them, shall we?

For starters, how about your sources for said facts?

Washington Post?

Bloomberg?

Youtube?

CNBC?

A Federal Reserve article that has nothing to do with Ron Paul?

Wow, you really are clueless... you believe everything that the mass media and Youtube tells you?

Look at the man's voting record.... he's never once voted against the People and has always voted in a way that keeps American's at heart.

You sound exactly like what most on here would consider a Gov't shill. You don't know that the Federal Reserve is a private bank? You have the balls to say that they are an important body in government??? They are the root of the problem my misunderstood friend. All I can say is, Wow....

Government produces NOTHING. Anything related to Federal Government is a COST to the people with nothing being produced and no revenue being returned, just expense after expense.

You sound extremely ignorant, arrogant and very uneducated about the facts and how the government has manipulated every possible situation they could for the benefit of a few. You are either one of those few or someone paid by them IMO because the average American does not think like you do. You definitely don't understand the completely negative impact of Sorbanes-Oxley, nor do you understand the role of the Federal Reserve, especially if you think they are part of the government. You have a lot to learn, and thankfully, ATS is a great resource for getting REAL FACTS instead of being spoon-fed the dribble you are referencing in your sources.

Good luck here on ATS... you'll need it.

~Namaste


You got me Im a paid shill.

Sorry I didnt get my sources form "conspiriacies are us". The federal reserve is not a private bank. I like ATS. I need the luck considering most eople here dont like ideas that disagree with them. Theres no denying what I wrote.

You are the uneducated one. You have no idea how the Fed works do you?


This looks more & more like obvious trolling as the page count grows. You all know the game: poke a stick into a beehive, then fall back to a safe distance to watch the commotion.
Best thing to do, IMO, let this thread die a quiet death. Now, it's time to begin doing my part...



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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LexiconRiot and Gorgi.
Look, you are either sharing a brain or are the same.

Your posts are the basis of what most of the elitist schools of higher learning pitch, and the students fall for it about 90% of the time.
Your ideas of how America and the American economy are flawed, but its not totally your fault.

Any basic thought would lead any sane person to the conclusion that the present course of the Fed Govt is not only wrong, but bound for failure.

You rally for more Fed Govt, so as the Govt has expended over say, the last 20 years, things have gotten better?
Lets take a poll, as your statement is infected.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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When you referenced Ben Bernanke, you lost a lot of credit. A lot of TARP went to overseas banks - not exactly helping create jobs in the United States. Government salaries and benefits are well above the private average; and government employees represent the single largest segment of the workforce. Reducing government would be a good thing. Having 700-800 military bases worldwide? We could stand to reduce that a bit.

Ron Paul's ideas may not work perfectly, but HEY, GUESS WHAT? The Federal Reserve's ideas and the rest of the US Government's ideas are what got us into this CESSPOOL. I imagine that if you really like cesspools, that's... great.



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