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Originally posted by HawkMan11
Thank you for the reply.
So, if we could take him alive, he could re affirm his confession, the prosecutor has no obligation to show any other evidence, and he can be sentenced concluding the hearings.
Originally posted by HawkMan11
So what exactly is the problem with taking him alive? In that case he wouldn't get the fictional trial being debated anyways. Please note I'm not saying why didn't we, or we should have.
Originally posted by HawkMan11
If he pleads guilty, that satisfies the legal standard to convict and sentence. No need for further Investigation according to law.
Originally posted by HawkMan11
Is the problem that in an International Military Tribunal that may not be the the standard? And he will get some sort of legal proceeding even after confession? I truly don't know.
Originally posted by HumansRuleTheGalaxy
reply to post by Ryanssuperman
Have you ever seen ANY of his videos???
Originally posted by wcitizen
The FBI itself has said they don't have evidence to link OBL to 9/11.
Originally posted by wcitizen
So - this is pre-meditated murder of someone who has suspected involvement in a crime with insufficient evidence to bring charges against him. You think that's a goodt precedent?
Originally posted by wcitizen
You call that war? Self defence?
I call it illegal murder.
Originally posted by wcitizen
What if you were wrongly suspected of terrorism? Would you think it was ok for them to imprison you, torture you, kill you without a proper legal process, just because they suspected you?
THAT is the precedent which has been set here.
Originally posted by wcitizen
It's NOT about anyone 'deserv ing' a fair trial or not. It's about ensureing that the legal process is respected and the government does NOT act outside the law. That road leads to the very dictatorship which is now rapidly taking over America.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Apart from all OBL is a CIA created fiction, and you've been punked, along with mllions more who believe the government lies.
Originally posted by cloaked4u
I heard he was wrapped for a ceramonial burial. A few choice words were said, then the body," wrapped in bacon", was wipped overboard. Why would they do that? That seems a little odd to me. Anyone hear about this? A ceromonial burial?
Originally posted by FDNY343
Originally posted by wcitizen
The FBI itself has said they don't have evidence to link OBL to 9/11.
Yep. And yet, indictments for the bombings of the US Embassys in Kenya and Tanzania, and the bombing of the USS Cole, still stand.
Nice dodge BTW. I never said anything about 9/11.
Originally posted by wcitizen
So - this is pre-meditated murder of someone who has suspected involvement in a crime with insufficient evidence to bring charges against him. You think that's a goodt precedent?
Wrong. He was indicted on other charges. Nice strawman.
Originally posted by wcitizen
You call that war? Self defence?
I call it illegal murder.
It's a good thing the USG didn't ask your legal opinion. You're confused about current indictments.
Originally posted by wcitizen
What if you were wrongly suspected of terrorism? Would you think it was ok for them to imprison you, torture you, kill you without a proper legal process, just because they suspected you?
THAT is the precedent which has been set here.
I disagree.
Originally posted by wcitizen
It's NOT about anyone 'deserv ing' a fair trial or not. It's about ensureing that the legal process is respected and the government does NOT act outside the law. That road leads to the very dictatorship which is now rapidly taking over America.
The legal process was respected. I am sorry that you have problems with reading for comprehension.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Apart from all OBL is a CIA created fiction, and you've been punked, along with mllions more who believe the government lies.
Yep. And you're duped by liars like Fetzer, Jones, et al.
Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by paxnatus
You complete miss the point...Its not that he's dead...I'm glad he's dead, but he should have been executed after trial. NOT because he "deserved" it...but because it sets a horrifying precedent.
Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan issued executive orders (E.O. 11905 (1976), E.O. 12036 (1978), and E.O. 12333 (1981), respectively) banning assassination. Not to mention International Law forbids it: Article 23b of the Hague Regulations, 1907
But F**K all that...I mean were Americans right? We don't have to follow anyones laws...not even our own!
Originally posted by wcitizen
No - YOU never mentioned 9/11, but the Bush administration blamed him for 9/11. That is why he was killed.
Originally posted by wcitizen
That's why some people have been rejoicing about his death, that's why 9/11 victim family members have been interviewed about how they feel about his death. The whole implication of this farce is about 9/11.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Nice try.
Originally posted by wcitizen
He never went through a trial, no proper judiial process for any of the charges. He should have been brought back to US to face those charges. BUT, of course, they couldn't do that.
Originally posted by wcitizen
If you support disregard for the law and a President who can murder at will, that's your choice.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Enjoy it when it comes knocking at your door.
Originally posted by FDNY343
Enjoy it when it comes knocking at your door.
Originally posted by FDNY343
Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by paxnatus
You complete miss the point...Its not that he's dead...I'm glad he's dead, but he should have been executed after trial. NOT because he "deserved" it...but because it sets a horrifying precedent.
Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan issued executive orders (E.O. 11905 (1976), E.O. 12036 (1978), and E.O. 12333 (1981), respectively) banning assassination. Not to mention International Law forbids it: Article 23b of the Hague Regulations, 1907
But F**K all that...I mean were Americans right? We don't have to follow anyones laws...not even our own!
Assasination refers to a member of a foreign government. What government did OBL represent again?
Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by FDNY343
Originally posted by wcitizen
It's NOT about whether anyone DESERVES a trial, it is IMPERATIVE in any civilised society that EVERYONE be given a fair trial before being sentenced, and especially before being executed.
It's the LAW which has to be adhered to under all circumstances. If not, dangerous precedents are set and that can get out of control. The only thing that protects citizens from tyranny is proper adherence to the constitution and the rule of law and there should ne NO exceptions.
If you condone execution without trial, you're condoning mob rule, which is what dictatorships are. One day that might just come back and bite you on the bum.
While I will absolutely agree that everyone deserves a trial, there is no way that is going to be feasable.
It's not like this guy was walking down the street to buy some milk. This was war. In war, people are killed.
Also, here's a little analogy.
I am sitting in my living room, watching a baseball game on tv. Some dude busts through my door and tries to harm my wife and kids. I have EVERY right to defend myself, up to and INCLUDING deadly force. Should I just wait for the cops? Nope. Sorry. I guarantee I will put two shots of .45 cal right into his center mass.
Now, go ahead and try to spin this to say that we shouldn't have shot the bastard. It won't make a bit of difference. This was war.
The FBI itself has said they don't have evidence to link OBL to 9/11.
So - this is pre-meditated murder of someone who has suspected involvement in a crime with insufficient evidence to bring charges against him. You think that's a goodt precedent?
You call that war? Self defence?
I call it illegal murder.
What if you were wrongly suspected of terrorism? Would you think it was ok for them to imprison you, torture you, kill you without a proper legal process, just because they suspected you?
THAT is the precedent which has been set here. It's NOT about anyone 'deserv ing' a fair trial or not. It's about ensureing that the legal process is respected and the government does NOT act outside the law. That road leads to the very dictatorship which is now rapidly taking over America.
Apart from all OBL is a CIA created fiction, and you've been punked, along with mllions more who believe the government lies.
Government??? whose???? Try the Rogue group known as the Taliban whom would just as soon cut someones tongue out as look at you.
From the managing editor of the Washington Post, a news-breaking account of the CIA's involvement in the covert wars in Afghanistan that fueled Islamic militancy and gave rise to bin Laden's al Qaeda. For nearly the past quarter century, while most Americans were unaware, Afghanistan has been the playing field for intense covert operations by U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies-invisible wars which sowed the seeds of the September 11 attacks and which provide its context. From the Soviet invasion in 1979 through the summer of 2001, the CIA, KGB, Pakistan's ISI, and Saudi Arabia's General Intelligence Department all operated directly and secretly in Afghanistan. They primed Afghan factions with cash and weapons, secretly trained guerrilla forces, funded propaganda, and manipulated politics. In the midst of these struggles bin Laden conceived and then built his global organization. Comprehensively and for the first time, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Steve Coll tells the secret history of the CIA's role in Afghanistan, from its covert program against Soviet troops from 1979 to 1989, to the rise of the Taliban and the emergence of bin Laden, to the secret efforts by CIA officers and their agents to capture or kill bin Laden in Afghanistan after 1998. Based on extensive firsthand accounts, Ghost Warsok is the inside story that goes well beyond anything previously published on U.S. involvement in Afghanistan. It chronicles the roles of midlevel CIA officers, their Afghan allies, and top spy masters such as Bill Casey, Saudi Arabia's Prince Turki al Faisal, and George Tenet. And it describes heated debates within the American government and the often poisonous, mistrustful relations between the CIA and foreign intelligence agencies. Ghost Warsanswers the questions so many have asked since the horrors of September 11: To what extent did America's best intelligence analysts grasp the rising threat of Islamist radicalism? Who tried to stop bin Laden and why did they fail?