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Originally posted by Finguz
Originally posted by gemstone78
reply to post by Expat888
you got a good point about life, but
animals only kill for food & Protection, so 2 say this is lower than an animal is no very nice, coz
we humans kill for greed, control, money, oil & so on
& it is bad that the usa & uk army invade other countrys, coz if they did that 2 us they would be called terrorists, how come they dont get called the same & tarred with the same brush ?????? it makes u think ?????
we live in a sad world
You've never heard of foxes then? They regularly break into chicken coops, kill everything that moves and then take one carcass for food. It's called bloodlust! Something a worryingly large proportion of the USA seems to revel in
Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by blupblup
the original post said 9/11 was an act of war. It is.
Just because your used to war being between nations doesn't mean it always is as the wiki entry clearly points out.. What about the history of human civilization before the rise of the nation state? Tribes fought wars against each other. Thats not war?
Like i said you cant fight a war against an ideology, but you can fight a war against the people who practice that ideology. Just like nazism.edit on 6-5-2011 by yeti101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by wcitizen
It's NOT about whether anyone DESERVES a trial, it is IMPERATIVE in any civilised society that EVERYONE be given a fair trial before being sentenced, and especially before being executed.
It's the LAW which has to be adhered to under all circumstances. If not, dangerous precedents are set and that can get out of control. The only thing that protects citizens from tyranny is proper adherence to the constitution and the rule of law and there should ne NO exceptions.
If you condone execution without trial, you're condoning mob rule, which is what dictatorships are. One day that might just come back and bite you on the bum.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
So... You are saying he's excused from a trial because you say so.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
So on your big man logic. Nobody should piss off the US (not because you guys are terrorists) but because you'll just kill anyone who disagrees with you.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
And then you wonder why MOST of the world despises your country. It's not jealousy, it's pity.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Some (not all) , some of you people are worse than the people you fight against.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
And nobody trusts you.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Well didn't you treat his family to first class flights out of the country ,
Originally posted by mr-lizard
they ONLY people in the air after 9/11
Originally posted by mr-lizard
(the bit before you invaded and butchered the WRONG country)...
Originally posted by mr-lizard
So by slaying radical Islam, that makes you somehow better than radical Islam.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Because from my point of view. It makes YOU exactly the same as radical islam.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Originally posted by redzareptile
reply to post by mr-lizard
How then would you have handled this situation?
Thanks for asking.
I would have taken him alive (assuming he was still alive).
I would have taken him alive, announced that the FBI's most wanted man is in custody and then shown images of his arrest. I would then ensure that the man had a far trial, collected evidence and then used his evidence as a means of conducting similar raids to find out who his associates were (whether they be America, Saudi or otherwise).
Sadly, I think the US government just wanted to silence him, as he probably had several cans of worms ready to be opened..
A fair trial would ensure that the reputation of my Government would not be tarnished at the expense of appeasing a hooting, baying mob of mouth breathers.
Originally posted by FDNY343
Originally posted by wcitizen
It's NOT about whether anyone DESERVES a trial, it is IMPERATIVE in any civilised society that EVERYONE be given a fair trial before being sentenced, and especially before being executed.
It's the LAW which has to be adhered to under all circumstances. If not, dangerous precedents are set and that can get out of control. The only thing that protects citizens from tyranny is proper adherence to the constitution and the rule of law and there should ne NO exceptions.
If you condone execution without trial, you're condoning mob rule, which is what dictatorships are. One day that might just come back and bite you on the bum.
While I will absolutely agree that everyone deserves a trial, there is no way that is going to be feasable.
It's not like this guy was walking down the street to buy some milk. This was war. In war, people are killed.
Also, here's a little analogy.
I am sitting in my living room, watching a baseball game on tv. Some dude busts through my door and tries to harm my wife and kids. I have EVERY right to defend myself, up to and INCLUDING deadly force. Should I just wait for the cops? Nope. Sorry. I guarantee I will put two shots of .45 cal right into his center mass.
Now, go ahead and try to spin this to say that we shouldn't have shot the bastard. It won't make a bit of difference. This was war.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Blarneystoner
So... You are saying he's excused from a trial because you say so.
So on your big man logic. Nobody should piss off the US (not because you guys are terrorists) but because you'll just kill anyone who disagrees with you.
And then you wonder why MOST of the world despises your country. It's not jealousy, it's pity.
Some (not all) , some of you people are worse than the people you fight against. And nobody trusts you.
Originally posted by HawkMan11
May I ask a question or two?
If I commit a murder, and admit it, do i bypass all judicial proceedings prior to sentencing?
Originally posted by HawkMan11
Also, if i was given a trial and enter a guilty plea, does the trial cease and sentencing begin?edit on 6-5-2011 by HawkMan11 because: (no reason given)