I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

Zactly.

preaching non violence by means of violence is hypocritical,
spreading democracy by enforcing it is hypocritical

Every individual needs revolution, inner division, overthrow of the existing order, and renewal, but not by forcing them upon his neighbors under the hypocritical cloak of Christian love or the sense of social responsibility or any of the other beautiful euphemisms for unconscious urges to personal power (Jung, 1966:5).

It is under all circumstances an advantage to be in full possession of one's personality, otherwise the repressed elements will only crop up as a hindrance elsewhere, not just at some unimportant point, but at the very spot where we are most sensitive. If people can be educated to see the shadow-side of their nature clearly, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more self-knowledge can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures (Jung, 1966:par. 28

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

Government??? whose???? Try the Rogue group known as the Taliban whom would just as soon cut someones
tongue out as look at you. The Taliban worshiped Bin Laden. Google what his son Omar thought of his own father
and the atrocities his daddy committed.

Use some common sense please. What is the worst thing you think Bin Laden did?

Pax

I can honestly say that part of why amendments exist is to protect even the most hated (i.e. speech, persons) and a person's right to a fair trial through our legal system was made a mockery. So every thing I served for and was fed (we stand for truth, justice, freedom, etc...) means nothing and I'm sure the terrorists are basking in the glow of hypocrisy as I write this. Congrats, we've given them another justification for an attack. My former friends still serving and many innocents are going to suffer for this because of what? Some sense of justice or vengeance from 1700 B.C...

My opinion is his assassination goes against everything I was under the impression we stood for and is more in line with the actions of our enemies. Whose going to want our kind of democracy in their country now?

Every criminal deserves a trial. Extra-judicial killing is not justice. I'm really not bothered that OBL was taken out without a trial, that being said I would have prefered him to face a trial and then execution like every criminal should, even the worst war criminals in history have faced a jury before they were executed, the same should have happened here.

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

How about the dozens and dozens of videos he released where he talks about killing all of us infidels?

How about his support for terrorist acts committed against us on camera?

That's all the proof I need to determine if he's bad or not.

Interesting how the great orator re-opened gitmo right before this operation took place. Did they snatch his butt and toss him down there and use this dump the body into the sea ignorance to cover that? Me thinks so.

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

How about the dozens and dozens of videos he released where he talks about killing all of us infidels?

How about his support for terrorist acts committed against us on camera?

That's all the proof I need to determine if he's bad or not.

This is a true statement... but who armed him and who built this monster? If the media did not want to use those tapes as fodder to rally up the troops we would not have heard a peep from OBL. Think about it! TPTB only let you know what they want you to know.

You have to find the rest out on your own or just log on to ATS and sift though the B.S.!

Holding bin Laden for a trial (regardless of whether you think he was really behind 9/11) would be the absolute BEST WAY to invite a nuclear hostage threat by (insert terrorist organization name here).

So, pretend we have him in Gitmo. Fine. Everyone feels good about themselves for the U.S. being so "humane".

Next thing you know, a CNN headline, "Members of Al-Qaeda have taken over the viewing platform of the Empire State building, are holding hostages, and claim to have a nuclear bomb that they threaten to use within 3 days unless Osama bin Laden is released."

Yeah, that's "humane".

Nope, killing bin Laden was the most humane thing we could have done.

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

How about the dozens and dozens of videos he released where he talks about killing all of us infidels?

How about his support for terrorist acts committed against us on camera?

That's all the proof I need to determine if he's bad or not.

What about your government announcing killing the terrorists (without a trial) - does that mean if someone decided America is a terrorist state, they can cluster bomb your children?

Yeah

Silly person.

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

Oh please... give us all a break. There are plenty of video tapes with OBL threatening death and destruction to Americans and others. This whole business of making OBL out to be some sort of victim in all of this mess is really getting old.

It's NOT about whether anyone DESERVES a trial, it is IMPERATIVE in any civilised society that EVERYONE be given a fair trial before being sentenced, and especially before being executed.

It's the LAW which has to be adhered to under all circumstances. If not, dangerous precedents are set and that can get out of control. The only thing that protects citizens from tyranny is proper adherence to the constitution and the rule of law and there should ne NO exceptions.

If you condone execution without trial, you're condoning mob rule, which is what dictatorships are. One day that might just come back and bite you on the bum.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I don't believe Bin Laden was a saint by any means, but who told you he was bad?? GOVERNMENT.....So you immediately believe them, right?? Think about it

How about the dozens and dozens of videos he released where he talks about killing all of us infidels?

How about his support for terrorist acts committed against us on camera?

That's all the proof I need to determine if he's bad or not.

What about your government announcing killing the terrorists (without a trial) - does that mean if someone decided America is a terrorist state, they can cluster bomb your children?

Yeah

Silly person.

You make it sound like the US and other countries (including your's) just woke up one morning and decided to declare the Taliban, Al Quaeda (sic?), and OBL terrorists. You have to excuse my laughter but your little boy logic is quite humorous....