Mob of Thieves Swarms Las Vegas Convenience Store

reply to post by BlesUTP

are you kidding me? if criminals knew that every law abiding citizen was armed, they would most certainly be hesistant before trying to pull a gun out.

there is a point where the criminal element 'outguns' the good guys.
just ask the cartels or any border patrol agent in the arizona sector.

It always makes me laugh when a thread is sidetracted.
My question was , Is the choice of the MSM for news clips directing the direction of thought .
All races of kids do this and it's not new.
The news clip will incite racism, accept it or not.
My point is can people really see whats really going on.
I guess not.

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

I think the MSM always has an agenda. And yes, the people who are programmed that way will go there and others who see this will think about it. The good news is, many won't.

wait till they do this with homes....15 to 20 guys break into a home and within minutes they could haul out alot of stuff. gated communities are not immune. 1 person gets the access code, and 1 month later, 2 vans roll in with 10 guys and strip a house of all its valuables in 5 minutes, way before any police car could get there. i'm surprised it's not happening more...maybe it is and the media has been ordered not to broadcast any of it because of copycats.

The answer to your question concerning the MSM is yes that's been their job for decades now, to blind the public with what they want them to think and accept such as stereotyping. Some people can see what's going on and others can't due to wanting to believe what they are seeing. Just so happens this video shows black kids but this sort of thing happens all the time and upper class white communities are not immune from it happening, so what does that say? It says that kids, regardless of race, when they congregate such as you saw in the video the possibilities of theft happening is great. Why? One, some of them get a thrill by getting away with something they know is wrong and two there are bad apples in the best and worst of communities. Do all kids do that? No, thank goodness.

I look for this sort of thing to increase drastically in many forms for several reasons. First of all, as it gets harder to simply pay the bills at home, people will and do become desperate. Desperate times need desperate measures. Secondly, as people (mainly the lower class) become more aware of how their government and bankers are literally robbing them, it will and does give a sense of entitlement, as though their permitted to retaliate. And lastly, "The Matthew Effect". The more this happens and the more it's shown, the more it will happen.

"How long? Not long, 'cuz what you reap is what you sow!"- RATM

Originally posted by DaveakaRNG
I look for this sort of thing to increase drastically in many forms for several reasons. First of all, as it gets harder to simply pay the bills at home, people will and do become desperate. Desperate times need desperate measures. Secondly, as people (mainly the lower class) become more aware of how their government and bankers are literally robbing them, it will and does give a sense of entitlement, as though their permitted to retaliate. And lastly, "The Matthew Effect". The more this happens and the more it's shown, the more it will happen.

"How long? Not long, 'cuz what you reap is what you sow!"- RATM

Sadly, none of those kids really looked like they were in desperate need of money or food. They looked like they had more pocket change than I, thats for sure!. I agree that this could escalate though, but not as much for the reason you stated. I see it more as an entitlement issue. There seems to be an epidemic of "Rich people are evil and should give their money to anybody who wants it" going around, which generally leads to this idea that stealing isn't so wrong if you steal from someone who has more than you. Kind of a "We are all one human race, so what's yours is mine." Of course, that doesn't go both ways, and often the people that think this also think "what's mine is mine because I'm entitled to everything, so back off".

And as to race, seriously, it is kind of ridiculous to assume that we should not discuss what is in front of our eyes. The problem is not in addressing the racial aspects of these situations, but in what we do with this assessment. Do we suddenly assume all members of that group or race are like this? Of course not. But, at least we can start to ask why Group A is involved in Situation A much, much more than Group B. and then we can begin to find a way to help each other out and fix the situation. But ignoring it will never fix it, it will just let it become worse, Like putting your hands over your ears, and singing "I can't hear you!"

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

 

Nothing racist about pointing out the fact that they were black and certainly not helping by proving numerous stereotypes correct.

IMO, this store owner should have every right to racially profile and prohibit certain customers from entering his store.

This is not a one time event, and unfortunately no firearms were present to prohibit these animals from doing this again.

So your belief is that the store owner should make it some kind of whites only store? Like they had in the south for so many years prior to the civil rights movement.

The need/desire to steal/ ussually comes from those who are at the bottom of the socio-economic pyramid(and those who are right at the top). There is a reason why they are at the bottom of the socio-economic pyramid and that is not race my freind. It is the status quo of education and labour that has persisted since WWII in the African American community. Factories were closed down, sent off-shore and they lost their job, education amongst these communities plumeted and gangs began to appear, increase in numbers, duplicate, spread and intensify. Attempts to achieve any kind of socio-economic progress has been often disbanded by the policy makers that trickle the wealth down the pyramid.

In regards to your comment. Sometimes I feel ashamed at the sheer idiocy of society especially on these boards, Yes they were wrong to steal especially in such a cowardly manner. However if you want to fix a problem to not start from the outside of the circle, go straight to the centre and find the cause.

this video shows what happens when you're charging $4.59 a gallon for regular unleaded. these folks are just getting a little of that back. it might not actually affect the correct parties but this is their only point of access. nobody seems to feel bad enough about it to bother hiding from the high-def color security cams. eventually when people run out of money and food this will start happening in grocery stores with hundreds of 'shoppers' at a time.

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

If the employee was armed, then, once again, he would be absolutely crazy to draw his gun on a large group of people who may also be packing.

you are assuming that the gang is prepared to comit murder for an armfull of liqour

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

 

If the employee was armed, then, once again, he would be absolutely crazy to draw his gun on a large group of people who may also be packing.

you are assuming that the gang is prepared to comit murder for an armfull of liqour

Probably not.

But a few of the posters on this thread seem like they'd be more than happy to kill someone over a package of beef jerky and a miller tall boy.

"Can people respond to this news clip without racist comments, I wonder ?"

Not really. These savages perpetuate the stereotype TO A TEE...

BTW Almost all convenience stores in Vegas have a line of video poker slots, especially those right off the strip. That is nothing to be surprised about.

reply to post by rubbertramp


It is more than shoplifting. It is conspiracy to commit grand larceny. It took some planning and communication between every one involved to execute. Everyone there was acting together as a criminal enterprise.

What I think is racist about this is that they did not invite any white people. If this was not racism, they should have invited some white criminals to participate as well. I wonder of the store owner was black?

Originally posted by rubbertramp
to be honest, they did not seem to me to be 'gang banger' types at all.
looked to me like it was a bunch of decent high school kids.
they were all laughing and having fun, not hiding faces.
i think it was some sort of prank or a mind control op.

This is what I thought as well..at first, it almost looked staged. I mean, they were definitely NOT thugs. I have been around thugs and they would make these kids cry for momma.

It may go bad in the future though if a shop owner starts gunning down people (I would side with the gun owner, but law suits an all).

The Las Vegas police will not take this lightly.

Las Vegas has more cameras per mile then any other city in the country and more CCW holders.

Just about every security guard in Vegas also holds a CCW and they work with the cops.

There is a very good chance that photos are being circulated with all casinos in town of these criminals and after a couple are caught they will rat out the others.

Criminals in Nevada don't get a slap on the wrist they get jail time.

There is a prison 30 miles south of Las Vegas,another at Indian Springs.
and the High Desert Correctional Center in Las Vegas
Plus the city and county jails.

There is the old joke about Las Vegas "Go there on vacation, Leave on probation"
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reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


sure... its the Target of Opportunity model

this type activity may become more popular as we get deeper into the extended jobless 'recovery'
the masses have cell phones to elicit a broad sprectum of 'friends' to converge on a Target
and down the line someday you yourself will be wronged by an establishment
and may just think about Targeting the premisis with a uncontrollable mass/swarm of people that will overwhelm any security measures the targeted enterprise may employ...


AKA 'perps walk free' operation

reply to post by St Udio


When these people are identified, they should bet a message on their cell phones to converge on a certain store. This certain store being one that is loaded with police in the back room and more waiting in nearby parking lots. It is amazing how little self control people have. Who raises all these young gangsters to believe it is OK to do this?

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
It is not flawed. Criminals obtain guns by illegal means. They are already carrying guns! If I am not allowed to carry a gun, I am 100% defenseless against them.

You said ''this is why everyone should carry a gun'' - that includes criminals with legally as well as illegally obtained firearms !

If everyone in the video were carrying guns, then it would be the store owner against 19 gun-wielding thieves. I very much doubt that the outcome of this video would be any different if everyone were carrying guns.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
However, if I am allowed to carry a gun - take classes, learn to shoot - then I have a shot (no pun intended) of protecting myself!

If you were that shop owner, then having a gun would not have protected you from your shop being robbed.

Law-abiding citizens carrying guns does not nullify the threat of criminally-minded people carrying guns.

Maybe - if you're lucky - in a one-on-one situation against a criminal who is not that bright, your firearm may be of benefit to you, but, in the normal course of events, carrying a gun will increase your chances of falling victim to a gun-shot wound. Criminals with guns will always steal a march on law-abiding citizens who are armed. Unless you're the ''fastest draw in the West'', then I'm afraid that drawing your gun, when confronted with a gun-toting hoodlum, will make you much more likely to become yet another statistic on the burgeoning list of ''firearms casualties'' in the USA.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
It is not flawed unless you look at it all in a skewed way. Taking away MY RIGHT does not mean that they have no guns!! It means I'm defenseless! But this is not about me, persay, just people in general. I live in a state that allows me to carry....

You only believe that you have a ''right'' to own a gun because a 200-year-old document tells you so.

Common sense dictates that having any Tom, Dick or Harry with the fundamental right to own a murderous instrument - a weapon that can facilitate mass-murder in the most impersonal of manners - is a recipe for a violent and disorderly society.

Look at the calender: it's 2011, not 1776.

Originally posted by ViperChili
You are making an infantile argument that is not based in reality. If they wanted to carry guns, they could have. Nothing stopped them.

How is common sense ''infantile'' ?

Who says that one or more of them weren't carrying guns ?

If you were an armed shop-owner, would you draw your gun on the off-chance that all of the 19+ robbers weren't packing ?

Originally posted by ViperChili
If the employee was smart ( which they most likely are not given that they work in a convenience store in a bad part of town), they would have chose to arm themselves and end the criminal careers of a few of those animals.

Oh yeah, and what about matey boy on the slot machines ?

If he got caught in the cross-fire of a needless shoot-out over $600 worth of stock, then I guess that he would just be ''collateral damage'' ?