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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by LadySkadi
From what I saw, as I stated, eleven seconds went down from the time he got out of the car until she was on the ground. I didn't notice him speaking to anyone for any length of time. See a few posts back for the rest about dispatch and so forth. Turning into someone with that much forward momentum going often results in a collision...on top of that add whatever he potentially could have been thinking because of where her hands went as she turned, and I personally wouldn't rush to any kind of judgment here. But you all can.
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
reply to post by pityocamptes
there were more than 3 people on the scene. including the camera man.
now her hands weren't in her pocket were they?
Originally posted by pityocamptes
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Originally posted by 5StarOracle
reply to post by DaMod
I think your analysis as well as many others miss the mark on this one, most off her fall comes from her own reaction to get away from his attempt to take her down. I cant see her head hit the concrete wall with the force you all seem to. I think it looked alot worse then it really was.edit on 6-5-2011 by 5StarOracle because: ...
yeah, she failed in the .05 seconds it took her to "get away". yes it does look alot worse, but it COULD have been worse.
if you heard someone running up on you, and they didn't identify themselves as police officers, wouldn't your first reaction be self defense? now add alcohol to the mix and lets see how you react.
Yes, my first reaction would be self defense and my weapon would get drawn...edit on 6-5-2011 by pityocamptes because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by LadySkadi
From what I saw, as I stated, eleven seconds went down from the time he got out of the car until she was on the ground. I didn't notice him speaking to anyone for any length of time. See a few posts back for the rest about dispatch and so forth. Turning into someone with that much forward momentum going often results in a collision...on top of that add whatever he potentially could have been thinking because of where her hands went as she turned, and I personally wouldn't rush to any kind of judgment here. But you all can.
No, sorry, but he was full speed before she even moved her arms. He was gonna bum rush her no matter what she did. He would have to be superhuman to be able to determine that she was "going for a gun hidden in her special shirt holster" in the amount of time that it happened.
Originally posted by pityocamptes
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
reply to post by pityocamptes
there were more than 3 people on the scene. including the camera man.
now her hands weren't in her pocket were they?
She reached into her shirt. Would you, in the same situation as the cop, have said, "Nah, she looks like a fine upstanding citizen, I have no concerns..." or might you have made a judgment call given the very little amount of time you had to make a decision...
Originally posted by pityocamptes
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by LadySkadi
From what I saw, as I stated, eleven seconds went down from the time he got out of the car until she was on the ground. I didn't notice him speaking to anyone for any length of time. See a few posts back for the rest about dispatch and so forth. Turning into someone with that much forward momentum going often results in a collision...on top of that add whatever he potentially could have been thinking because of where her hands went as she turned, and I personally wouldn't rush to any kind of judgment here. But you all can.
No, sorry, but he was full speed before she even moved her arms. He was gonna bum rush her no matter what she did. He would have to be superhuman to be able to determine that she was "going for a gun hidden in her special shirt holster" in the amount of time that it happened.
Sorry my friend, but you sound like a future casualty. The world is an evil place. Not everyone wants to hold hands and sing kumbayas...
Originally posted by jaduguru
In my day..when a cop shows up..you kinda stop what your doing and stand there until he determines whats what ( remember cops can arrest you..but not judge you in law ).
You Turn your back ( or try to walk away from crime scene ( looks like that 15 yo could have done more damage to that other Teen then the cop did ) ) to a Cop and your Rights are DONE !
You Dont have the Right to beat the schizzle out of someone..and then when the cops ( who have NOT a Clue as to the situation ) needs to Protect the peace comes in there and tackles someone with there back to them..
You get a Degree in Detroit Street beat ..then post .. You Dont mess around with cops..They Will ( agreed ) Take your ass down !
There is No reason why they should not protect themselves ..
So I think that guy had all the reason to tackle this "Woman" ( after the fact finding out its a 15 YO is not in question ) that could possibly have a firearm.
Go be a cop and have your Capt. tell you that the Streets are full of Real Bad guys and you cant even touch them .. much less defend themselves ..
Good time to be a cop eh ??
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Yeah I just watched it another 10 times and took some snaps. Some of you all need to watch her arms and hands in relation to where he is and what he's seeing, accounting for angle. I think there's a clear indication that it may well have influenced his actions.
edit on 5/6/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by CastleMadeOfSand
You have the video. Have at it. I've watched it no less than 45 times now. You're free to do the same and look for the indicators as I was.
edit on 5/6/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)