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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Smackdown: Police officer 'takes out drunk girl, 15, outside school in violent attack'
www.dailymail.co. uk
Originally posted by Realms
Yeah, saw this....there needs be charges brought against the cop. Excessive force at its finest!
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
It most certainly does. A 15 year old girl is gonna fly farther than an average person. Her bones are gonna be weaker than an average persons. She's gonna hit the wall harder than an average person. So it's ok to kill her over a "hunch"?
No, it most certainly does not. Also, she did not die and as far as we know, did not suffer any adverse injuries. You cant base your opinion off of hypotheticals or hindsight. This is what I am trying to explain to you. Its what the officer perceived at the exact moment the force was used.
Nothing else can be ontroduced into the review that explores what could have happened to the female. The question asked will be, based on what the officer perceived, was his use of force, his shoveing the girl from behind, allowable under the reasonableness standard? Was his use of that force within departmental policy based on the situation at hand. Was that use of force a violation of her constitutional rights in terms of excessive use of force.
Those questions are asked, and are then answered within the box the officer was in.
That is the standard.. That is what I am trying to get across to people.
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
reply to post by Xcathdra
This is a standard scenario used to get people to understand that standard. If the guy does not stop and the officer shoots, and it turns out the guy had his wallett in his hands, that fact cannot be taken into account when determining if the officrs actions were justified or not. If the officer does not shoot, and it turns out the guy did have a gun, then the other lesson is applied.
That is understandable, I get it. But the guy who got pulled over KNEW he was getting pulled over. This girl didn't even know what hit her.
Originally posted by Section31
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Smackdown: Police officer 'takes out drunk girl, 15, outside school in violent attack'
www.dailymail.co. uk
If you watch the clip from start to end, you will realize she was the one being held down. She must have done something to provoke the other lady to hold her down. Once the officers arrive on scene, the lady who was holding her down was still on the ground. We do not have the full story.
Actually when she half turned and saw the cop, she did know what was behind her. Instead of stopping, she continued to make thew attempt to leave the area.
I bring this up since others brought up the video footage of the kid being planeted into the wall at the movie theatre. The other thing people do is stereotype all situations involving use of force. Just because cops in England took some kids shirt, doesnt mean cops over here will do the same thing.
Which brings me back to my point - we dont have all of the information, just the video which people think they can base an entire incident off of.
If I give loud clear verbal commands and he refuses to stop, I might employ a different method to get the person attention, but agian that is based on what I, and only what I perceive.
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
reply to post by Xcathdra
If I give loud clear verbal commands and he refuses to stop, I might employ a different method to get the person attention, but agian that is based on what I, and only what I perceive.
So you are conceding that his use of force was excessive, and had another officer been involved, would have ended differently. You are saying he is in the wrong. Thank you! My point has been proven.
Good night all.
.......Please don't blanket all cops as being bad. There are far more good ones out there than there are ones like the officers in the videos posted. We need the good cops on our side when and if the SHTF.
Originally posted by SpookyFox
Some stupid girls got drunk and starting fighting, the police officer stopped the fight using non-lethal force.
I don't see any problem here. I think the officer did exactly what was his duty to do, to keep the peace.
Maybe if the kids mommy and daddy had taught her how to treat people and not to drink at 15 then she wouldn't have got a beatdown from officer bauldy.
"Move along, nothing to see here."
Originally posted by SpookyFox
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
reply to post by Xcathdra
If I give loud clear verbal commands and he refuses to stop, I might employ a different method to get the person attention, but agian that is based on what I, and only what I perceive.
So you are conceding that his use of force was excessive, and had another officer been involved, would have ended differently. You are saying he is in the wrong. Thank you! My point has been proven.
Good night all.
.......Please don't blanket all cops as being bad. There are far more good ones out there than there are ones like the officers in the videos posted. We need the good cops on our side when and if the SHTF.
Wow you're really arrogent to take that attitude.
That stupid drunk 15 year old kid will sue the police force for more money than you earn a year, the police officer will lose his job and his family will be ruined. Why? Because some people got offended by reality.