Why do people think masons are evil?

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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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it depends on how you define evil.

if the end result is becoming a god then most people consider that an affront to god. masons are materialists and the ultimate goal is to become a god and self procreate.




posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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I'll agree that he chose the most controversial freedom, but I think he misstated his point. If Freemasons are out to take over the world, why did we give you free reign to own the tools to resist us?

Even then, what about the freedom of speech, or religion, or assembly?



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
masons are materialists


False. Every Mason is, to a man, a theist.


and the ultimate goal is to become a god and self procreate.


If Masons were "materialists", we wouldn't believe this possible.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
if the end result is becoming a god then most people consider that an affront to god.
How would one become a god? I only know of one omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being in the universe. If any mortal believes they can become that somehow, they are a fool.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
it depends on how you define evil.

if the end result is becoming a god then most people consider that an affront to god. masons are materialists and the ultimate goal is to become a god and self procreate.


I guess I would define evil as someone who intentionally spreads false information in hopes to steer opinion. But that's just me. The whole becoming a God thing is ridiculous. Only God is God, and he seems to be very good at being God. Now could you describe how "self procreation" might work? that one baffles the hell out of me.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheLevel213
reply to post by Beavers
 


I'll agree that he chose the most controversial freedom, but I think he misstated his point. If Freemasons are out to take over the world, why did we give you free reign to own the tools to resist us?

Even then, what about the freedom of speech, or religion, or assembly?


americans are given 'freedom' with guns so they can protect the rich who (used to) live there when one of the poor snip they keep bullying eventually dares to fight back
(and no, not false flags like 911!) Plus, murder on the streets gives them more reason to take control and remove liberties!

The masons (or rather the people who milk them) aren't at war with the population or care about their guns, they just use them like cattle and are quite happy for them to keep sending each other to hell with them


in my experience freedom of speech is something the police beat out of you when you speak your mind, religion's true message lost, and assembly? a bunch of cretins stupid enough to do what they're told for slightly better scraps than the forces/businessmen mason grunts who grease the evil wheel!





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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
it depends on how you define evil.

if the end result is becoming a god then most people consider that an affront to god.


If.

It isn't.


Originally posted by tonypazzohome
masons are materialists and the ultimate goal is to become a god and self procreate.


Spoken with certainty. Care to share your source(s) with a Mason? I'd love you to share the source of the 'knowledge' you have so that I might ascertain its worthiness.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
I'd say you could add the Jesters as an invitational body of the Shriners. And the Grotto should be added.

Yeah, I knew I'd forgot the Jesters, but I couldn't find a good icon to use. I did forget the Grotto as well as the Tall Cedars, now that I'm thinking about it.


Originally posted by tonypazzohome
masons are materialists and the ultimate goal is to become a god and self procreate.

Negative on all counts.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Beavers
Evil = Carrying a big gun cause some masons made you fear your neighbours


Two of the next towns over from me (Orange and East Orange) have an extremely high violent crime rate and there are frequent cases of it occuring in my home town because of this. I am quite happy that Mr. Desert Eagle is in the night stand.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Beavers
americans are given 'freedom' with guns so they can protect the rich who (used to) live there when one of the poor c***s they keep bullying eventually dares to fight back
(and no, not false flags like 911!) Plus, murder on the streets gives them more reason to take control and remove liberties!


Ignoring the obvious fact that this made pratically no sense, how is myself, or anyone else, defending their home 'protecting the rich'? Last time I looked Bill Gates was not renting a room from me.



posted on May, 7 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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Because Free Masonry is weird. And people who don't understand, or perhaps don't want to understand something outside of their comfort zone.. simply call it evil. Masonry is not exclusive to this.. Wicca is considered evil by many, Islam is considered evil, etc etc. Any group, religion, or function that is weird and beyond the knowledge of typical people, it's often written off as evil.



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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
it depends on how you define evil.


Yes.



For the Christian fanatics who are "anti-Masons," the terms "evil" or "Satanic" generally just refer to any person who has a competing brand of religious fanaticism. For the Freemasons themselves they are "good" religious cultists in the same way that the Nazis would consider themselves to be "good" Nazis, or militant Muslims would consider themselves to be "good" Muslims and so forth. It very much depends upon how one defines the term "good." Even the Italian mafia refer to their initiated gangsters as "men of honour;" I think that probably all religious cults and Capitalist gangs encourage their members to operate by a certain "code" regarding what is "good.," but the "good" behaviour of a ganster Capitalist and religious cultist is unlikely to be accepted by philosophical humanists, Communists, Socialists etc..

Ultimately "regular" Masonry is one of the many sects of Christianity, and when one accepts the Biblical definition of a deity as a definition of absolute goodness, then this has certain consequences which affects attitudes and behaviour; if one considers the genocidal, tribalistic Bronze Age war god of the Bible to be a definition of goodness, then genocidal, tribalism, economic slavery and holy war against competing tribes and religions all become a definition of "good."

"Cult insider" doublespeak is usually just a private definition of public terms, thus if we were to say that the Masonic cult leader, the Fieldmarshall, the "Duke of Kent" is a "good Mason" it could mean that he is a good monarchist, a good anti-republican, a good militant, genocidal, state terrorist,, narco-terrorist, economic imperialist and gangster capitalist collaborator who is committed to the "good" global expansion of the International Dictatorship of Capitalism.

From a Christian perspective, it seems to me that the Masons are "good" men, since the "good" Christian deity is anyway a primitive, savage, genocidal, sadistic proponent of holy war and economic slavery. As an evangelical Antichristian, to me the various debates between the Masonry and the Christian anti-Masons are just the ramblings of competing religious fanatics in the multi-billion dollar Jesus marketplace of organised religion.

"By deception we shall do war"

Anti-masonry is also becoming quite popular, and a growing trend among Islamic fanatics, and I believe that mutual hostility between competing religious fanatics and Capitalist gangs should be encouraged and promoted. Anglo-American state terrorism takes a variety of covert and overt forms, and intelligent opposition to such professional terrorists. economic imperialists and gangster Capitalists needs to duplicate some of the more successful propaganda methods of the enemy. The numerous forms of Internet discussion groups offer a wonderful opportunity to infiltrate and attempt to influence the various proponents of a variety of popular forms of militant ideologies and religious fanaticism. Part of the problem here is that radical anti-religionists and Communists such as myself are generally unwelcome on many such forums; however it is not always necessary or even recommended to always be perfectly honest about one's true ideological perspective; one can often be far more effective on an Islamic forum, for example, if one adopts the guise of a militant religious fanatic; I do recall some years ago, for example, being excommunicated from the "Hammas" debating forum for being too much of a radical and an extremist, but it is really all part of the course of the revolutionary propagandist.

Anything I can do to further the mutual hostility between competing forms of militant religious fanaticsm, I am only to happy to assist in any way that I can. The "Why fight your enemies if you can successfully incite them to fight each other? strategy has been proven over and over to be incredibly effective.

"Words are weapons, Propaganda is the first ftage of real war."

His Imperial Satanic Majesty

Lucifer


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Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy





Hilarious, but I can assure you that Lucifer is much prettier, and that the Freemasons are not Luciferians; they are essentially a sect of the vile and diabolical Christian religion.

Lux


edit on 8-5-2011 by Lucifer777 because: Text was not blasphemous and diabolical enough; not enough Christian flesh and blood consumed. Not enough Christian virgins deflowered & sacrificed,



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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Not sure, many of my ancestors are Masons though



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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master Lucifer,

How can someone, such as myself, who is vehemently opposed to organized religion ESPECIALLY christianity, be in the Freemason?

How can you prove that Freemasons are a christian organization ? I am talking about the blue lodge not the other various appendant bodies (such as the knights templar, etc).

... your Imperial Satanic majesty please may you have mercy on me
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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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Erm, Freemasons are told to worship Grand Architect of the Universe (later named Baal to those of the Royal Arch Degree?) aren't they? And that the name Jesus is specifically banned from being mentioned in any lodge...

If anything it's more Kaballistic...

In the Bible (you know, that thing that invented the words 'Good' and 'Evil') it says that Baal Worship or for that matter worship of any pagan gods (Brahma, Baal, Om, On, Dagon, Osiris, Allah, Molech, and Shango) requires sacrifce to 'demons'...

I'm no expert, but this will probably stack high on most people's evil list..



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Beavers
Erm, Freemasons are told to worship Grand Architect of the Universe (later named Baal to those of the Royal Arch Degree?) aren't they?

nope, they aren't.


And that the name Jesus is specifically banned from being mentioned in any lodge...

again, not true. In the blue lodge we don't pray to Jesus, as many masons are not Christian, contrary to what some idiots think. We pray to God. And God can be defined as whomever you want him to be, Allah, God, Whomever.


If anything it's more Kaballistic...

yes


In the Bible (you know, that thing that invented the words 'Good' and 'Evil') it says that Baal Worship or for that matter worship of any pagan gods (Brahma, Baal, Om, On, Dagon, Osiris, Allah, Molech, and Shango) requires sacrifce to 'demons'...

We don't speak of Baal, or anyone other than God or the Grand Architect of the Universe.(same guy)


I'm no expert, but this will probably stack high on most people's evil list..


With that kind of information being spread about it, probably so, but in bringing the truth into the equation, it would seem that masonry is a beautiful system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols. the most ancient society in the world.
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posted on May, 8 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Many Pagan religions neither believe in a Satan deity.. a Hell, or "demons."

I think many Pagans would then be surprised they are unconsciously sacrificing to .... demons.....

I myself, being a Theist/Deist and who prefers "Pagan" religion over organized monstrosities like the Monotheistic religions, am also very surprised I sacrifice to demons, Satan, baal, what ever.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Beavers
In the Bible (you know, that thing that invented the words 'Good' and 'Evil')…
Ah, the english language. If it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for you, eh?



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Beavers
In the Bible (you know, that thing that invented the words 'Good' and 'Evil')…
Ah, the english language. If it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for you, eh?


neither me nor my keyboard speaks 8000BC hebrew
it was king james, or nothing but the point still stands!!

very interesting responses from the masons, but are any of you actually near the 13th degree yet?

surely you'd still be being fed the line about GAOTU and 'god' being the same (and not realising you've been tricked into calling Baal 'god' instead) until you work your way up?

p.s. i don't necessarily believe any of this, im just (litterarily) playing devils advocate for the sake of debate.

either way, if i ruled the world, you'd have to chose between secret cliques and government. a combination of both would be treason





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