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Natural Born Citizen Definition scrubbed from ALL online dictionairies<--JUST POINTING THIS OUT..

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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Stormgodess
 


sigh - dictionaries give definitions for SINGLE words , not phrases -

eg - " free range eggs , " organic milk " etc etc etc


This is not fully true. Legal and other phrases can be found. Look up "ad infinitum," or "quid pro quo." "Natural Born" is a legal phrase. It should be defined.




posted on May, 6 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by NowanKenubi
Couple that with natural-born, and it makes no real sense at all.
It makes perfect sense.

If you look at some of the definitions of ‘natural-born’ supplied by ~Lucidity’s links, it means “having a specified characteristic ... from birth,” “having a ... status from birth.” If you couple that with citizen you get “having citizenship from birth.” Natural born citizen means someone who was born a citizen.

In short, the term was used in the Constitution to differentiate from naturalized citizens.



Originally posted by Amaterasu
"Natural Born" is a legal phrase. It should be defined.
It was, by the Supreme Court. Whose interpretation is more relevant, and binding, than a definition in a dictionary.

The Supreme Court settled the question for children born in the United States when, in Wong Kim Ark (1898), ruled that any person born in the United States, except children of foreign diplomats and enemy soldiers, is a natural born citizen. The exceptions have to do with the fact that some classes of people, by one reason or another, are immune from the jurisdiction.

The 14th Amendment couldn’t more clearly reflect this principle of birthright citizenship when it says that “[a]ll persons born ... in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

The only reason why this natural born citizen nonsense persists is because the answer to the question is not to the liking of the birthers. Unfortunately for them, they will never find that answer, since the things they believe in have no nexus with reality.



edit on 6-5-2011 by aptness because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Stormgodess, you have questions. Keep asking, keep searching. If there is something inside of you that isn't satisfied, that you feel the need to satisfy, KEEP SEARCHING AND ASKING


Obama is a malignant narcissist, he has spent millions to keep a (questionable) legal document hidden. Either he and/or his master/s have felt the need to hide information and documents. Why? Then when pressed, he spins things and call those who ask questions silly.
Those who think this subject is insane or out of touch simply have underlying issues and can not control their emotions on this particular subject. They choose to be incapable of allowing you your freedom and liberity....humm, just as the malignant narcissist does
humm.
The bottom line is Obama has proven he can not be trusted (just as all politicians) so asking if something might have been "scrubbed" is normal, imo.
I'd like to see these posters go onto the ufo threads or other threads and act like an *ss!
I hope you continue to focus and search until you feel you have satisfied your curiosity.
Good luck S&F



edit on 6-5-2011 by sweetliberty because: to finish though in a sentence



posted on May, 9 2011 @ 01:51 AM
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along the lines of some of the ideas on this thread Arnold Schwarzenegger could run for pres after all he is a "natural born" but he is not a "natural born citizen www.wnd.com... form link

Natural-born citizen' info vanishes off Wikipedia
In wake of Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate and this as well




WND
'Natural-born citizen' info vanishes off Wikipedia
In wake of Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate
Posted: May 01, 2011
5:45 pm Eastern

© 2011 WorldNetDaily


Reference to a key source cited by Founding Fathers in their development of the constitutional qualifications for the presidency is missing from Wikipedia's entry on "natural-born citizenship" in the wake of Barack Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate.

Blogger Paul Smith points out that reference to the Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel and his seminal definition of natural-born citizenship can no longer be found in the Wikipedia entry.

De Vattel defined natural-born citizenship in this 1757 treatise "The Law of Nations" as "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

The definition is relevant to President Obama's eligibility, because while his publicized birth certificate indicates he was born in the United States, it also shows that his father was Barack Obama Sr., a non-immigrant foreign student whose citizenship was Kenyan.
so by the text that the US constitution was written by , it no longer applies but then there is this




WND
'Natural-born citizen' info vanishes off Wikipedia
In wake of Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate
Posted: May 01, 2011
5:45 pm Eastern

© 2011 WorldNetDaily


Reference to a key source cited by Founding Fathers in their development of the constitutional qualifications for the presidency is missing from Wikipedia's entry on "natural-born citizenship" in the wake of Barack Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate.

Blogger Paul Smith points out that reference to the Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel and his seminal definition of natural-born citizenship can no longer be found in the Wikipedia entry.

De Vattel defined natural-born citizenship in this 1757 treatise "The Law of Nations" as "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

The definition is relevant to President Obama's eligibility, because while his publicized birth certificate indicates he was born in the United States, it also shows that his father was Barack Obama Sr., a non-immigrant foreign student whose citizenship was Kenyan.


Screen capture of reference to de Vattel in Wikipedia entry April 10, via the Wayback Machine

De Vattel's definition and the reliance on his work by Founding Fathers such as George Washington and Benjamin Franklin are crucial because the Constitution does not define natural-born citizenship, and the Supreme Court has not given Congress an authoritative definition with which to work.

Scholars generally agree that a natural-born citizen must be born of two U.S. citizens, but there is division over whether a person must also be born on U.S. soil. According to either definition, Barack Obama would not
qualify.

but wait there is more,

The Founders were concerned that a president born of a foreigner might have divided loyalties.

De Vattel explained that "it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen, for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."


Screen capture of Wikipedia entry's treatment of the case United States v. Wong Kim Ark, April 29, which no longer cites de Vattel.

A capture of the Wikipedia "Natural born citizen of the United States" entry by the Wayback Machine, which archives website pages at various points in time, shows a reference to de Vattel on April 10 in an account of the court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

In the current version, the reference in the text and two citations at the bottom are missing.

Wikipedia, however, has a separate entry for de Vattel that features his definition of "natural born citizen" from "The Law of Nations."
so what is it does he or does he not have the right to be????




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