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Natural Born Citizen Definition scrubbed from ALL online dictionairies<--JUST POINTING THIS OUT..

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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:24 AM
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reply to post by EyesWideShut
 


I vote hoax too. And deliberate attempts to misrepresent and mislead, I think. And maybe even plagiarism.




posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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Precisely my point - "Natural Born" is listed in virtually all dictionaries.

"Natural Born Citizen" is not and has never been. Obviously if real-world dictionaries don't have such an entry, why would their online equivalents have them?

What I have a problem with OP is your sensationalist headline - that some mysterious power has SCRUBBED all such entries from online dictionaries. I think we've established you can't scrub entries that WERE NEVER THERE TO BEGIN WITH.

I would agree with the poster above then that this post is at best a HOAX.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by EyesWideShut
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But WE are right and YOU are wrong. This is no longer opinion based. I propose HOAX status.



"But WE are right and YOU are wrong"--THAT SIR IS YOUR OPINION Just as my opinion is... "I am right and YOU are wrong"

Let whoever reads this gather THEIR OWN OPINION.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[13]

He reiterated his statement in 1866:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.[14]

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Stormgodess

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
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But WE are right and YOU are wrong. This is no longer opinion based. I propose HOAX status.



"But WE are right and YOU are wrong"--THAT SIR IS YOUR OPINION Just as my opinion is... "I am right and YOU are wrong"

Let whoever reads this gather THEIR OWN OPINION.


It is virtually impossible to form an opinion when there are no facts and there is no proof.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:31 AM
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About the word Citizen;

Citizen



Definition of CITIZEN
1 : an inhabitant of a city or town; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman
2 a : a member of a state b : a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it
3 : a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state


Couple that with natural-born, and it makes no real sense at all. We ALL are naturally born. ( Well, we were until recently... ) The trick is the word citizen as it implies you are not considered native of the land you were born on, and if you were to be indigenous, you can renounce your rights as one to BECOME a citizen. ( Citizenship can be granted by a city, a town, a state. ) "Currently, I'm a citizen of Blahtown, but next year will move to Duhcity and become one of its citizen..."

The "one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman" is funny because today, to be a freeman, you have to give up your rights... Because it doesn't say you ARE a freeman, only given "rights and privileges of a freeman"... so it is subject to conditions...

And that means your children are automatically granted the right to be considered a ( natural born ) citizen.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by EyesWideShut
 


I vote hoax too. And deliberate attempts to misrepresent and mislead, I think. And maybe even plagiarism.


Ditto, It amazes me how people fall for these things every single time... It doesn't matter how much logic, or reason or facts support the truth... they have such an emotional attatchment to the initial feeling they received when they learned of the disinfo , that their ego will protect it to the end. I promise you the originator of this could come out and say "yeah, It was a hoax"... and these people would somehow dismiss it because it doesn't fit into their belief system.... It's sad.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Stormgodess

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
reply to post by Stormgodess
 


But WE are right and YOU are wrong. This is no longer opinion based. I propose HOAX status.



"But WE are right and YOU are wrong"--THAT SIR IS YOUR OPINION Just as my opinion is... "I am right and YOU are wrong"

Let whoever reads this gather THEIR OWN OPINION.



Ok, let me break this down barney style .... 1 + 1 = 2 .... All Day, Every Day... It doesn't matter how much you may think or believe that it equals 3 , It NEVER WILL. FACT is 1+1=2 Now If I ask you how much 1+1 is and you say "In my opinion, It's 3" Your OPINION would be in fact WRONG. So yes, you are perfectly entitled to have the opinion that 1+1=3 but you would be just as wrong as you are in this thread.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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This is the first birther thread I got sucked into. Scary stuff. The emotion is definitely high and the logic is low.

Someone clearly doesn't know how a dictionary works. In addition, blindly believing an assertion from someone else that the definitions were there and now they're gone without proof? Clicking a link looking for a phrase that was never in a dictionary and coming up with a "not found" is not proof.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by EyesWideShut
 

This is the first birther thread I got sucked into. Scary stuff. The emotion is definitely high and the logic is low.

Someone clearly doesn't know how a dictionary works. In addition, blindly believing an assertion from someone else that the definitions were there and now they're gone without proof? Clicking a link looking for a phrase that was never in a dictionary and coming up with a "not found" is not proof.




Wow! You Libs sure are something! The Scary stuff and emotion, came from your side dear... Go back and read my responses, compared to yours. Well until I started getting attacked personally, and of coarse I defended myself.

You need to take a much closer look at who are the ones that got "SCARY" and "EMOTIONAL"



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by EyesWideShut
 

This is the first birther thread I got sucked into. Scary stuff. The emotion is definitely high and the logic is low.

Someone clearly doesn't know how a dictionary works. In addition, blindly believing an assertion from someone else that the definitions were there and now they're gone without proof? Clicking a link looking for a phrase that was never in a dictionary and coming up with a "not found" is not proof.




Exactly, I just don't get how someone can be so adamant about something based soley off of emotion that they'll argue against facts. I've said all I can on this. I refuse to devote anymore energy to it.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by Stormgodess

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by EyesWideShut
 

This is the first birther thread I got sucked into. Scary stuff. The emotion is definitely high and the logic is low.

Someone clearly doesn't know how a dictionary works. In addition, blindly believing an assertion from someone else that the definitions were there and now they're gone without proof? Clicking a link looking for a phrase that was never in a dictionary and coming up with a "not found" is not proof.




Wow! You Libs sure are something! The Scary stuff and emotion, came from your side dear... Go back and read my responses, compared to yours. Well until I started getting attacked personally, and of coarse I defended myself.

You need to take a much closer look at who are the ones that got "SCARY" and "EMOTIONAL"


I know you've run out of things to say because now you're falling back on personal attacks. Yes, you have no facts to base your opinion on, you've realized this and your ego is bruised... to save face you're now labeling "You Libs" And yes, It is Scary when people are so blinded by emotion that they can't see truth or use logic... No one attacked you personally, your EGO has been attacked... you are not your EGO.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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I'm not a lib, and please don't call me, dear. I was referring to the originator of this charade and the posters at GLP and that other site, not to you personally.

But while we're here again, I would love to hear your thoughts on:

1. Who did the scrubbing of the phrase "natural born citizen" from online dictionaries?

2. Why did they scrub the phrase "natural born citizen" from online dictionaries?



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Are you REALLY that delusional????

ME FALLING BACK ON PERSONAL ATTACKS?

READ YOUR OWN POST COMPARED TO MINE?

The only reason I brought up LIB is because you all brought up BIRTHER!

What the hell? You people are truly BLIND! Apparently you only try to see the faults of those you disagree with and NONE of your own!

Get off your High Horse and take a look at yourself!



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by Stormgodess
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Are you REALLY that delusional????

ME FALLING BACK ON PERSONAL ATTACKS?

READ YOUR OWN POST COMPARED TO MINE?

The only reason I brought up LIB is because you all brought up BIRTHER!

What the hell? You people are truly BLIND! Apparently you only try to see the faults of those you disagree with and NONE of your own!

Get off your High Horse and take a look at yourself!


Birther is not an insult....It is however illogical. The only thing more illogical or delusional would be thinking something crazy like Obama's the antichrist or something...lol



Originally posted by Stormgodess
Odd question, but here it goes....

Have any of you, that have these feelings concerning Obama being the antichrist, felt this deep feeling that you must go out and talk about it??

I have, and its one of these feelings that burns me to the core. I'm nobody. I'm basically a soccer mom, with a slight above average intelligence. I am a christian, but certainly not a very good one, you might could even say a bad one. I know the bible somewhat, but certainly not enough to quote it. Yet, here I am, feeling as if I am being called to become a missionary of sorts. I keep fighting it! and yet situations are constantly presenting themselves, where I almost have no choice. Then the most amazing thing happens. The words flow from my mouth, and my heart, without forthought. Words that are powerful, and moving, and people are listening.

I am crying right now as I type this. I dont want to be the crazy "end times" person yelling on the streets. Yet, I feel as if I have never known my purpose in this life, before now.


And I thought only "Libs" used words like "Scary"


Originally posted by Stormgodess
To me, it looks as if the blind sheep are worshipping him.

obamamessiah.blogspot.com

Scary!


SO when I say you don't use logic, It's not an insult... It's fact, you're Illogical. I brought up Birther because guess what?!? you're a birther!... I don't know what's so hard to understand?!? Most of your posts are based off of feelings, emotions & opinions not facts.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:58 AM
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I'm going to try and respond in a bit more of a tempered manner than some others, and hopefully this will clear things up for you:


I think the source of all of your confusion is that you believe "natural born citizen" is a term which has been distinctly defined. In fact, it has never been legally defined in a US document, and therefore the term, despite being used in the US constitution, has no legal definition in this country.

It would be like searching for a definition of "pink fuzzy airplane". You and I can picture what a pink fuzzy airplane would look like. Our imaginations might think up something different. I'm picturing an airplane covered in pink felt. You might picture an airplane covered in fluffy pink hair. We would both be correct, because this is a phrase that has no clear definition.

The phrase "natural born citizen" works the same way. Some people say that it means someone has to be born on US soil to two parents who are both US citizens. Some say that it means both of your parents have to be US citizens, but it doesn't matter where you're born. Some say it means you have to be born on US soil, but it doesn't matter what citizenship your parents hold. All of these people would be both right and wrong, because there is no legal definition.

Because of the lack of a formal definition, the phrase "natural born citizen" would not be regularly defined by proper dictionary because that dictionary would have no legal basis for the definition. For the same reason you won't see the phrase "pink fuzzy airplane" in a dictionary. It could be a real thing, but any interpretation of what it actually means is based on the person reading it.


In other words, whether or not this term was ever defined by a dictionary publication such as Oxford or Websters, that definition would hold no legal ground and therefore there is absolutely no motive for anyone to 'scrub' these online dictionaries of their definitions.

I hope this clears things up.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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This is the last I will say to you or anyone else on this thread. If you have no idea of what a Horses ass you have been on this thread, let me enlighten you.

I displayed complete control and politeness for two pages of this thread. Then your first post was this....


Originally posted by EyesWideShut
You people just can't let this go...lol

#1 Why would the Phrase "Natural Born Citizen" be in a dictionary?... although "Idiot Birther" should be.

#2 When did wikipedia become a factual source? I can go change it right now


#3 Someone said there is a screenshot of some sort showing "Natural Born Citizen" being in the dictionary?... WHY!?! Ask yourself why someone would randomly take a screenshot of that? You guys got all high tech and broke down Obama's birth certificate to the pixel and deduced that it was a fake, but a screenshot can't be faked?

#4 Who spun the key in your back and got you wound up in the newest CT?... why are they trying to keep you occupied on this BS and not focused on SERIOUS issues right now?!? You're being played for a sucker. I swear this is the modern day version of sticking an idiot in a round room and telling him to go sit in the corner.


And it steadily went down hill from there...Actually the responses from that point on seemed to lapse into the same ugliness.

Hey there! Nice introduction!

Yeh, at this point it is personal....Take your mistaken Self Righteous, Holier than Thou, Rude, Worthless attitude and shove it.!



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 05:02 AM
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Thank you, though I disagree, I understand your point.

Your response is appreciated



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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The only definition that matters is the constitutional definition...


All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The 14th amendment was written primarily to clarify the citizenship status of freed slaves.
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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 07:43 AM
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This thread is quite shameful in my opinion.

I understand what you are saying, that the definition for "Natural Born Citizen" was removed from all online dictionaries. That is a very bold statement, which required proof. You have provided absolutely no proof whatsoever.

Without any proof that they DID at ONE TIME have the definition in there, then this thread is completely worthless. Even if Wikipedia claims "They all used to have it in there!" it still doesn't mean anything, and Wikipedia is user edited, so any birther out there could have edited Wikipedia to say that. It doesn't make it true.

How about this, find a real paper and ink dictionary with the WHOLE term "Natural Born Citizen" and I'll take you seriously. I looked in mine, a Websters, and it was NOT in there. I doubt Obama got to my dictionary and tore a page out. Or do you think that's what happened?

Until you get proof, everyone is going to assume you are trolling. Please get some proof or retract your statement.



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