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wrong they piss all over the constitution all the time,why is our freedom of speech any different. Now the WBC,is an whole other can of worms,who's funding them?,Our government has been known to create problems only to solve the problem with more laws they have been doing this for a long long time,and still nobody sees it coming...........I really hope I am wrong
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by TWILITE22
reply to post by newcovenant
No he doesn't have a point because they(msm) are on some kind of campaign to put conspiracy theorist in with the terrorist.How soon they forget that we still have freedom of speech,that is until they decide to take it away.
THIS IS A WAR ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH!edit on 6-5-2011 by TWILITE22 because: (no reason given)
If freedom of speech was in danger Westboro Baptist Church would be GONE - but it isn't - so freedom of speech has never been safer. Not like during the Bush years when a couple was asked to leave an event for wearing peace signs on their T shirts. Where were all you vigilantes then?
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by legitbrah
I believe that BIG things are indeed about to happen.
And anyone with any sence of the world has seen it comming like a turtle in the distance.
Why else would there be record numbers of traffic on ATS the last few months.
Why else would there be record traffic on the Alex Jones Show?
We're not all crazy. Some crazy f'd up stuff is going on and lots of people are still ignorant to it.
The way we deal with the enviornment, the economy, the government, oil and food (water comming soon) among other things will all have to change very soon or else this planet and this brilliant race of people, along with other life on this planet is screwed.
BTW ... The reason I started comming to ATS is because I saw a UFO about a year ago. Classic silent triangle with yellow lights, gliding slowly close to ground in a remote location.
After my last year of reasurch on various topics; life in general.
It is my professional opinion as an 18 year old that it is either going to take exponentially better Leadership and Actions of the people of earth ( Btw i don't think we can sustain 6 billion of us [soon to be 7] ) ... Or it's going to take the Aliens comming down and biach-slapping us all on December 21st 2012 if we haven't figured our shiz out by then.
either that, or we will all die a slow, painfull death in a crazy, polluted planet...
or we might just NUKE ourselfs, thats always the quick way out.
I think there will be UFO's en mass near the end of 2012. I think there was some agreement to keep their existence secret at least until then. World governments are in a scramble NOW to figure out how to tell us if to tell us and what to tell us.
I believe many conspiracy theories are true but as another poster said, I am a theorist.
A conspiracy theorist is a nut who thinks EVERYTHING is a lie.
News flash - everything isn't, though many things are.
A rational person will investigate and eventually be able to tell the difference. They will not hop on the first bandwagon their friends are on.
I am a thinker, awake and aware of the potential for lies and threats but also able to distinguish and handle the truth when I see it.
And you are a "conspiracy theorist." Pleased to meet you.
You don't mind if I keep my weapon on me do you?
Not that I don't trust you.
edit on 7-5-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by newcovenant
This OBL thing will pass quickly and from what I gather on the news a majority of his own people are glad he is gone. Guilty or not I suppose.
Now stop and imagine bin Laden in US custody and having to give him to Pakistan or whoever to await a trial.
If on the other hand you think he was already dead it is hard to imagine his wives and children and the most radical Muslims of all the Stans are in on the attempt of your own government to fool you.
Anger in the Muslim community will pass quickly.
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
as anyone else noted yet that the way the US govt is releasing info about OBL's death almost seems to INVITE conspiracy theories?
Almost like they WANT people to draw all kinds of conclusions?
Philosophers and historians have long grappled with the problem of evidence. Can we know anything except that which occurs in our direct experience? And, given the unreliability of eyewitness accounts, can we even believe that?
Originally posted by 27jd
Well, here's one...
Documents which have been available for decades in the LBJ Library show clearly that McNamara FAILED to inform Johnson that the U.S. naval task group commander in the Tonkin Gulf, Captain John J. Herrick, had changed his mind about the alleged North Vietnamese torpedo attack on U.S. warships he had reported earlier that day.
McNamara later testified that he had read the message after his return to the Pentagon that afternoon. But he did not immediately call Johnson to tell him that the whole premise of his decision at lunch to approve McNamara’s recommendation for retaliatory air strikes against North Vietnam was now highly questionable.
Originally posted by LosLobos
Robert McNamara was a lone wolf in the Gulf of Tonkin issue. One man does not make a conspiracy by the government.
The conspiracy of 1865 to assassinate U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and members of his cabinet.
Tuskegee Syphilis Study ongoing from 1932 to 1972 knowingly killed hundreds of low-income African American men. U.S. Public Health Service wanted to experiment with the effects of untreated syphilis. Low-income African American men were lured into study with promise of free health care. Instead they were intentionally lied to and given placebo treatments. Even when they could have easily been saved by penicillin they were left to die for the benefit of the syphilis study program. Tuskegee Syphilis Study Source
Human Radiation Experiments. 1944 to 1974. In 1995 the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments reported that over a 30-year period, the government sponsored, through several different agencies, thousands of human radiation experiments and several hundred intentional releases of radiation. To the question of whether similar abuses could occur again, particularly in the case of intentional releases, the committee gives “a qualified yes.” It notes that some agencies can still invoke national security considerations to waive consent requirements, that agencies are often responsible for their own oversight, and that environmental impact statements relating to classified projects are not available for public scrutiny.
The 1945 Operation Paperclip, the extraction of top Nazi scientists to the US. … the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infiltrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX) Military Intelligence “cleansed” the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had committed other war crimes. -ca
MKULTRA is a CIA experiment where drugs were given to Americans without their knowledge or consent. This involved giving '___', marijuana, barbiturates, heroine, mescaline, alcohol and more to unsuspecting people. … started in 1950 to study mind control and behavior modification. In 1973 Richard Helms head of the CIA deliberately destroyed all the records. MKULTRA Source
Operation Mockingbird was a CIA project created to control the domestic and foreign media [beginning in the 1950s.] They bribed well-known writers and journalists to write … slanted propaganda. The goal was primarily to bribe writers to write about the dangers of communism and suppress any left wing political writing. In 1976 George H.W. Bush the new director of the CIA announced that this activity will stop but they would welcome the voluntary unpaid cooperation of writers. Operation Mockingbird Source
Project SHAD was created by the United States Department of Defense in 1962. They intentionally exposed our military personnel with biological and chemical agents on 46 different occasions. This was done without the military personnel knowledge or consent. They wanted to experiment on how soldiers can be exposed to dangerous chemicals and continue to fight. This testing was conducted from 1962-1973. The Department of Defense refused to admit SHAD existed until 1998. Project SHAD Source
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false flag conspiracy plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to “develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington”. This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on foreign governments. Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is the name given to two separate incidents involving naval forces of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 4, 1964, the US government lied about war ships engaging North Vietnamese vessels in combat. In 2005, an official NSA declassified report stated. “[I]t is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night.” The Gulf of Tonkin Incident prompted the first large-scale involvement of U.S. armed forces in Southeast Asia.
The Watergate scandals 1972 to 1974 during the presidency of Richard Nixon resulted in the indictment of several of Nixon’s closest advisors and ultimately his resignation on August 9, 1974. The scandal revealed the existence of a White House dirty tricks squad, which was behind an orchestrated campaign of political sabotage, an enemies list, a “plumbers” unit to plug political leaks and a secret campaign slush fund associated with CRP, all with high-level administration involvement. It brought into the open the involvement of Attorney General John N. Mitchell in the dirty tricks, funds and cover-up, as well as key White House advisers, all of whom went to prison for these crimes, for sentences of one to four years.
Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by AeonStorm
I agree with pretty much everything you have said, and with the next four or five posts i've just read on your thread Aeon...spot on assessments i reckon.
Conspiracy theorists, for all intensive purposes, are the enemy. The question I have is how far are the elite willing to go to protect themselves from all the non-believers and protect all their elite B.S.
The term 'Conspiracy theorists' is actively being engineered by the psych ops units in various government, intelligence and military circles, to be synonymous with 'UFO nut'.
That is...to cause the same negative emotion/reaction to be brought forth by the term alone.
It *is* a propaganda war...but *not* for Conspiracy theorists hearts and minds, but rather for the hearts and minds of the gullible and obedient majority...they realise it's a losing battle to challenge an experienced CT, as we have long since realised through months, sometimes years of hard, in depth and intensive research, across myriad but often tenuous spider web-like filaments of topic connections, that eventually show a portion of what the real systems are actually like.
Once you comprehend and recognise the methods of control, of coercion, and all the other elements so well known and utilised by tptb to keep their elite monopoly over the majority of us, you'd have a hard time going back to being a gullible, 'good serf' and believing whatever tptb tell you.
This is damage limitation, just as it was, and still largely is, with the UFO/ET subject.
We are going down the exact same ridicule, wry smile, eye roll, finger pointing route against 'Conspiracy Theorists' now.
Why? Why would this be a problem for the elites? Why wouldn't they just ignore it, shrug it off as inconsequential or unimportant?
Because folks, the obvious answer is that we Conspiracy theorists (i prefer 'truth digger', but hey) are a danger to their whole centuries long, insidious power grab and monopoly on truth and how much of the truth we get to know.
We are starting to have what many would term 'mainstream' or regular types of people wake up, and start to see what the world is really like, and they are starting to get involved in the 'real world ' by asking some difficult questions.
Donald Trump is one. The *well connected* doctor who is currently spilling the 9/11 OBL beans is another...more and more 'regular people'..some very wealthy and powerful in their own right are starting to ask....'difficult questions' of the elite...they *don't like this* for obvious reasons!
So while Conspiracy theorists *are* the enemy of obfuscation and elite lies and propaganda, we *are* the ally of the majority...and a lot of the majority are starting to wake up and realise this.