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Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag and tell to Federal Grand Jury!

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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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reply to post by Elbereth
 


'Scuse me...what does anencephalic mean?

Is it....rude


(kidding)




posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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He may not be killed, just made to disappear..



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by stygmartyrZA



He may not be killed, just made to disappear..


The date....
April 2011



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by stygmartyrZA

He may not be killed, just made to disappear..

Try reading the discussion page before scaremongering



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
You mock my saying “Pieczenik's CV is all the proof I need to give him a fair hearing,” claiming that this translates to "I will listen to anyone who has some type of authority."
How surprising that a Master Wiki Logician like you would draw an obviously invalid conclusion from my assertion. Your deductive skills are suspect regarding my likely relationship with authority and exhibit one of the most fundamental logical fallacies known.


You said: "Pieczenik's CV is all the proof you need to give him a fair hearing".... that is like saying "you will give anyone who has a similar CV as Pieczenik a fair hearing." So what I say still stands...

Your very own words have made an assertion that you just denied making... I would classify your situation as being confused and or you are just speaking without thought, or absent.


Originally posted by Elbereth
Please, challenge me on this.

While we agree that Alex Jones is a self-serving provocateur, your saying that Jones is guilty of the fallacy of Argument from authority by implying that Pieczenik’s impressive credentials to speak on intelligence issues bolsters his (Pieczenik’s) plausibility is to stake out a position so unhinged from reality that only the lingering after-effects of a recent session of electroshock therapy or a violent concussive impact to your head or perhaps both simultaneously can excuse it, Gopr.


Again, that argument has "impressive credentials" as a main factor... that is appealing to authority. Basically the argument is; "Why would someone with impressive credentials support something that is unhinged from reality?" Or, "What they say must be true because it is unlikely that someone with impressive credentials would support something unhinged from reality."

The argument is flawed, their credentials don't mean a darn thing. It should be canceled out of the equation. Your question should just be "Why would someone support something that is unhinged from reality?". It doesn't matter what their credentials are.

Let's give a prime example; John Lear. John Lear is a highly decorated pilot and flew secret missions for the CIA. His dad was Bill Lear who created Learjets. Alex Jones supported John Lear when John spoke about 9/11 being and inside job. John has some good authority about how aircraft operate and what is possible and not possible on 9/11.....

But, you know what else? John Lear supports the idea that there is a mile high "soul catcher" on the Moon, and aliens harvest our souls there............... John supports a lot of ideas that are unhinged from reality. Does his credentials make his ideas more credible? I certainly do not think so.

It's the same with Pieczenik. He too could probably believe there is a "soul catcher" on the Moon or even Mars, and aliens harvest our souls there.......... His credentials don't matter.


Originally posted by Elbereth
Maybe you can head back over to the University of Wiki Logic and school yourself up a little more convincingly before absurdly spouting off again, Professor.


Funny, that is coming from someone who twice now posted a quote from wikipedia and failed to read and comprehend the last sentence of said quote, and how it pertained to my argument and supported it.



edit on 5-5-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Oh he "heard" someone else say it... That makes it true!


LOL. You guys crack me up!





posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Read the reasons why the info is deleted, they give you the links in that big box there to see why notability is being questioned.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Let us all hope that this begins an "avalanche" of people in the know finally settling their consciences.

If they have any information, this would seem like an appropriate time to come out and speak the truth.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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im very new to the ATS world (since after the riots began) and i found out very quickly any thread with links to infowars were to be avoided as its all lies. how can people en-lighted enough to find out a place like ats(to deny ignorance) be fooled by that guy?

sensationalist BS



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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This guy and his evidence look legit. I mean a Flash-heavy website, tons of books to sell, a story that is both denied by most and exciting, what's not to trust?

Believing that one person who has a theory convenient for you is usually a sign that you should reevaluate your 'theories."



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by ATSecretAgent
If Steve R. Pieczenik turns up dead, missing or incarcerated, I guess that's just further confirmation that the jig is up.!


They're smarter then that... They'll either black-male him, and if that doesn't work,they have advanced weapons that can cause a fast acting cancer.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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Firstly, it's beliefs, not believes...

Secondly, I am of a mind to give some amount of credence to the Dr. not because it jives with what I want to believe but more because it jives with what I personally was involved in and experienced.

I planned a strike mission to bury a cave in Kabul in late 2001. I later broke out imagery of supporting evidence showing that we were right to think that he was there.

The humint that led us to believing he was in that cave was CIA provided, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the CIA knew he was there, found out he had died (we knew that he was very sick) and went in and grabbed him and had us plan our strike to cover that up.

Considering the number of people coming forward with stories of him being kept on ice for years, this might explain that.

I was discarding the stories of him being kept on ice, simply because I believe that we buried him in that cave in the strike, but on second thought, based on what the Dr. is saying, it's possible that they had already extracted his body.

I only know that we had good intel he was in that cave, we buried the cave, and I personally broke out the imagery of evidence supporting the idea that we were right to believe he was in that cave.

So don't talk about people's sources, because I'm going off of the best source anyone has, Myself...

Jaden



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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If Dr. Pieczenik is serious about uncovering the greatest hoax of all time then he should name the general right now. For the good of the country and the world, blow the lid off this lie and tell us who he is. What is he waiting for?



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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No this sounds more like it. The truth always comes out!!!



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by ATSecretAgent
If Steve R. Pieczenik turns up dead, missing or incarcerated, I guess that's just further confirmation that the jig is up.!


and if he doesn't we'll have to consider that this coming out could be the next step of ptb plan,

this guy have been around ptb too long, can we trust him after 30 years of ptbism ?

is he coming out with some kind of repentance, spiritual awakening, deeply sorry feeling... or is it again just another show ?



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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So he was murdered in 2003...Uh, I mean, he died in 2001. Or was he killed in 2011?

Two conflicting stories that somehow disprove the third one? How does any of this make sense?

I never understood why people are always so quick to dismiss anything "official" and yet accept any accusation or statement made to the contrary. And despite the fact that the "non-official" stories are not consistent with each other, they somehow corroborate each other at the same time.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Now let us be realistic here, If the US wanted Osama Bin Laden dead they would have sent a team to get him right after the attacks. He had just taken a flight out of the US back to his country, very easy target to get and accessible to the US global forces

Sounds plausible that he would have met his demise years earlier instead of 10 years after the fact with the strongest military presence on Earth after him.

I don't get dirty so, going down this rabbit hole or any for that matter of fact is out of the question for me personally.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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My take.

TPTB will do anything to steer focus and discussion away from 9/11 video
and victim fakery, as well as media complicity,
even if it seemingly involves the potential sacrifice of some of their apparent major players.
(Which won't happen, as there are so many across society involved).
They obviously have contingency plans.
They always have contingency plans.
This guy is a plant and inserted to re-animate their false projected 9/11 reality on
this, the 10th anniversity year of the biggest hoax in history.
Why didn't he speak up before?
More psy-ops and another lair of the BS onion.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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This could be the "great revelation" that kickstarts the greatest $h!t storm in human history. From now until this guy takes the stand (or ends up dead. Which ever comes first), you'd better have your bug out bag next to the door and ready to fly.

If word hits the blind masses that we killed 3000 of our own people on 9/11.... definitively.... all hell is going to break loose.



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