Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Westboro isn't new news, where is the conspiracy here?
I believe there actually IS a conspiracy with WBC and it seems most people are missing it.
I am struggling to convey my thoughts on this because this is obviously a potentially volatile topic, and I am definitely not trying to piss anyone
off. Please forgive me if I sound somewhat retarded. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not a christian, and neither am I criticizing gays here, i am only
expressing some of my personal observations about what I believe is going on. I am only attempting to explain what I see, so please be patient with
I believe everything Westboro Baptist Church does or says actually helps PROMOTE acceptance of homosexuality rather than discourage it (I think WBC is
only pretending to discourage it).
The conspiracy, I believe, is to promote the widespread acceptance of gays, and enforce silence upon anyone with an opposite viewpoint. The
conspirator's method is to be so abrasive against gays that it causes "normal" christians who might consider criticizing gays to choose silence (or
forced "tolerance") instead.
Again, let me clarify, I am not for bashing gays, that is not my point at all. What people do with their own lives is none of my business. What I AM
for however is freedom of expression, freedom of speech, etc., and I believe if a person has strong convictions (be it gay, christian, even WBC, or
anyone else) they ought to be able to speak about it freely without the "thought police" bashing their face in.
Many christians have been effectively embarrassed into silence over the whole gay thing partly because of the unreasonable, insane rantings of a
madman (Fred Phelps) and his weird family, and so now, when "normal" christians politely voice a sincere concern about a lifestyle they generally
believe to be unhealthy, the general population at large has been conditioned to condemn them as quacky nuts (just like Fred Phelps). That is the
Some of you probably disagree with me on this, but hopefully you can at least sort of see I have a point. My presupposition here is that WBC is
hateful, and conversely, most mainstream christians actually care about gays even if they don't exactly agree with them or approve of their
We live in a world of conflicting viewpoints, and THAT is a wonderful thing, especially if everyone is allowed to freely express their beliefs without
fear of repression or persecution. That is my point.
But what if some powerful lobbyist group wanted to silence the irritating hobby horse of a large and powerful group of people (such as the christian
church?), what could they do to make them shut up? Well, you can't just tell them to shut up. That would only make them cry all the louder. No, what
must be done instead is to make them feel EMBARRASSED for speaking up at all. WBC has helped achieve this.
The insane ranting of the folks at WBC ultimately makes mainstream christians ashamed of themselves for criticizing gays in any way. WBC is exploiting
this, and (I'll say it again) THAT is the conspiracy.
It is obvious the folks at WBC are very abrasive, unloving, and horribly self-righteous to the 'nth degree, and I believe they are doing it on
purpose, knowing that it will cause many mainstream christians to rethink their own prejudices and adjust their response to the issue of gayness.
(again, that's the conspiracy).
Many of you will say that that is a good thing, and I might agree with you, except for the fact that the conspirator's methods only silence people's
voices by beating their thoughts into submission to the will (and way of thinking) of the "majority" (and everybody else better shut up)!
That which was formerly regarded as "christian love" (i.e. warning people about the consequences of "sin"), is now regarded as "christian hate",
but please don't forget that it is also our freedom of speech which is at stake here. Forget about the whole "gay/anti-gay thing for a moment, and
think about freedom of speech. Does anyone care about that anymore?
I think for the Phelps's it is all in the delivery. WBC delivers hate. They spew hatred. Now, because of the actions of WBC, when some of the more
mainstream conservatives and evangelicals wish to talk about the issue of homosexuality in context with what they believe about the bible, they are
wrongfully lumped in with WBC as hateful. THAT is the conspiracy.
Let me say this again, I am definitely not sympathetic to christianity, and i'm not anti-gay either, I am just telling you what I see happening. This
is just my opinion.
Because of Westboro Baptist Church, many "normal" mainstream christians have been put into a position of a sort of forced tolerance/silence (and
that is the conspiracy).
I believe WBC is NOT really working against gays at all, I believe they are covertly working FOR them.
That is what I see as a conspiracy, but, since so many people actually seem to want exactly what the conspiracy is pushing for, then I guess the
question I should ask myself is, is it really a conspiracy?
Am I making any sense?