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Doomsday Gun

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posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 04:07 AM
I remember during the gulf war hearing about how Saddam had plans to build a gun that would launch a car sized shell and would be able to hit great distances...

Does anyone have any info on this or Remember this?

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 05:15 AM
Search "Gerald Bull", Lysergic

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 06:48 AM

thanks for the info !!!!

Check out this site for anyone that is interested


posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 06:59 AM
I don't know if Anyone ever played Metal Gear, but it was a great game. The basis of it was the United States developed a giant MechWarrior type machine. But this machine was different from others, because it had a rail-gun that could fire nuclear tipped bullets. The signifigance of this was huge. They could shoot a nuke at a country, but it wouldn't be picked up by radar since it was a bullet. The country that was attacked would have no idea where it came from, for all they knew it could be a suitcase nuke. Plus they could deploy these in allied countries such as Turkey, and it would not break any treaties. (Recall that after the Cuban-Missile Crisis that since the US got nuclear weapons out of Cuba, the USSR also got missiles out of Turkey.) Just something to think about.

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:08 AM
I always thought Mech were an awesome idea, I am a huge Mechwarrior fan. However I think they could be taken out rather easily...

Too bad they aren't real, I'd love to be a mech pilot....


posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:16 AM
If you can't shoot straight!!!

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:21 AM
You could just blow the ground out from under them and watch them tople over.

35-100 tons is HEAVY

or just a small tactical nuke and cook the pilot alive inside.

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:21 AM
Stop ruining my delusional dream!


posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:22 AM
BAH nm, you were talking about the Doomsday gun.

Sorry had too much expresso this morning.

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 10:07 AM
In documents filed with the UN Special Commission 18 July 1991, Iraq admitted possessing a gun with a barrel 350 millimeters wide and 45 meters long and that it was building a second one. The commission noted that the gun would have been inaccurate for conventional armaments, and that it was trying to determine if the weapon was intended for chemical, biological, or nuclear use. The superguns were potentially capable of firing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons to a range of up to 1,000 km.

The high-ranking Iraqi defector Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majeed said Iraq was working on a space weapon launched from the supergun. "It was meant for long-range attack and also to blind spy satellites. Our scientists were seriously working on that. It was designed to explode a shell in space that would have sprayed a sticky material on the satellite and blinded it." He also said the supergun could have delivered a nuclear device. Following the Gulf War UN teams destroyed one 350 mm. supergun, components of a 1000 mm. supergun, and supergun propellant.

Iraq used the petrochemical complex two (PC-2) project as a front to purchase components for Gerald Bull's super gun. Matrix Churchill was a long established Midlands based machine tool manufacturer which was purchased in 1987 by an Iraqi controlled company, TMG Engineering Ltd, which was in turn controlled by another Iraqi controlled company, Technology and Development Group Ltd (TDG). The military uses of Matrix-Churchill machines are the prime reason Iraq was interested in purchasing the company. Acquiring Matrix-Churchill gave Iraq access, not only to the machine tools, but also the computer programming, tooling, and other components needed to make a wide variety of munitions as well as other applications in aerospace and nuclear industries. The Iraqi NASSR Establishment for Mechanical Industries contracted with the company for the supply of machine tools for a project, code named "ABA", to manufacture parts for multi launcher rocket systems. In addition, supergun components were fabricated in separate parts by factories in England, Spain, Holland and Switzerland. Acting on an anonymous tip, British Customs seized the final eight sections of the Super Gun in November 1990. The work skirted the law but remained legal, as illustrated by Britain's unsuccessful prosecution of the case, following the joint British-American sting operation that uncovered key supergun equipment transfers.

Brussels Home to Iraqi Super-Gun

Few people remember the late Gerald Bull. By all accounts he was a brilliant physicist. His dream was a joint U.S./Canadian project called HARP (High Altitude Research Program). Bull believed he could build a super gun capable of launching projectiles a 1000 km (surface-to-surface) or rocket assisted projectiles into space. The United States pooh-poohed his ideas (much to their peril) and Gerald Bull ended up working for Saddam Hussein in 1981. He built 300, extremely effect 155mm howitzer artillery pieces for the Iraqis to be used against the Iranians during the Iraq/Iran war. He also worked on something called Project Babylon.

Project Babylon was the gun no one believed he could build. Baby Babylon was the prototype: 45 meters long with a bore measuring 350mm (by far the largest conventional cannon ever created). The Babylon gun was designed to be 156 meters long with a bore size of 1000mm. It would be capable of launching 650kg payload at any regional target in the Middle East. Considering Saddams penchant for weapons of mass destruction, the payloads might contain anything from Anthrax to radioactive waste to a fully developed nuclear weapon.

Saddam turned to Belgium before the Gulf War in an attempt to improve his Scud missiles and to create a weapon never seen before in any military arsenal. Iraq contracted Canadian Dr. Gerald Bull to build a super-gun, using components manufactured in the U.K., Belgium, Germany and Italy. Dr. Bull's base of operations was Brussels, Belgium.

Belgian officials ignored repeated warnings from Iranian and Israeli intelligence officials that Dr. Bull was developing such a weapon for Saddam Hussein. Dr. Bull also assisted Iraq by improving the accuracy and range of its existing arsenal of Scud missiles.

Bull used weak Belgian export regulations to circumvent export bans against assisting Saddam's quest for super-weapons, trans-shipping much of the equipment for his super-gun and Scud projects through Brussels.

In the end, Bull paid for his assistance with his life. An unknown assailant assassinated him outside his Brussels apartment. The MOSSAD assassinated Gerald Bull on March 22, 1990. Despite the fact that British customs seized finished components for the Bulls super gun, American intelligence continued to discount the stories. That was until they found Baby Babylon in the Iraqi desert after the Gulf War.

So what does Gerald Bull have to do with today?

The Israelis have strenuously suggested Saddam might have developed a delivery systeman intercontinental delivery system for his Anthrax and plutonium weapons. Israel claims Saddam is no longer simply interested in hitting Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, but his aims have crossed the Atlantic and he is gunning for New York and Washington D.C.


posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 07:31 PM
The Bull Supergun (Project Babylon) really wouldnt be that hot of a gun. Yes, it would be a lot faster way to deliver nuclear weapons, and it would be significantly harder to stop them, it is still possible. We have been able to track 105mm howitzer shells on radar in flight for some time (FBI has even developed a radar to track rifle and handgun bullets), and at Sandia Labs, they have even shot a 155mm howitzer shell out of the sky with a laser.

The main problem with this idea is that it is a very large weapon, hard to hide, even harder to move. Yes, it is very long range, and hard to bring the shell down, but counter battery radar will easily track back to point of origin. Due to its great size and immobility, it would be a sitting target for the huge airstrike that will likely come looking for it.

Also, the Babylon cannon was not a new idea... The germans put it into action in WWII with Gustav and Dora

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:00 PM
Is it possible that this gun could be constructed under ground?
Please advise.

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:07 PM
Is it possible that this gun could be constructed under ground? Posted by Barba007

I seriously doubt it. Any kind of underground revetment or anything would likely constrict its range of fire too much, and would make its use highly impractical. If anything, it would only make it even harder to move in an emergency, although it might make it slightly harder to find (it would still be found using counter battery radar). It would afford a bit more protection, but due to development of deep penetrating "bunker busters" it would still be taken out in short order.

Such a weapon might be constructed underground in secret, and it might get a few shots off before it was destroyed, making it in effect a disposable weapon...

posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 08:10 PM
Is all...think he's compensating for something???

posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 01:22 AM
you may find reading the book 'Fist of God' by Fredrick Forseth, it contains most the facts about the doomsday gun, although in the book it is said to be used to deliver a nucular payload, but it is a good read anyway

posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 10:12 AM
If you want to see a real "Supergun" check out this link
The videos they have are awesome. I would have linked to some of the videos but they are huge in size.

I didn't find this idea on their site, but it has to have been considered as a use for this technology. Take some of the the small caliber box units mount them on a tank with a small radar system and they could shred an RPG round before it could hit the tank.

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