WikiLeaks Exposes North American Integration Plot

reply to post by RUSSO


You gotta admit the flag looks cool...should have put an eagle purched on the maple leaf to complete it though.

That aside, I think whether the "union" forms or not is irrelevant because the stage has already been set. In other words, whether the US is part of a larger body officially or in pact is irrelevant. We are already part (actually controlling interest) of two: NATO and NAFTA that really serve no end. And yet, I think no one here would argue that being part of NATO has required a new coin of the realm or special change of imaginary lines through the continent.

Gloria Anzaldua would be pleased as she laments in poetic verse, "staking fence rods in my flesh, splits me, splits me, me raja, me raja." The unity is already there my friends. You pretend like it's some approaching - not too far off, though - event that will usher in the end of the US as a sovereign entity.

I hate to break it to you. A corporate state we already have. I don't think that sovereignty is very meaningful within NAFTA as the benefit is not of the people of the nation, but of individuals therein and elsewhere.

It's already like that. Erasing the two ink marks from San Diego to Brownsville and Seattle to Passamaquatty or whatever it's called is irrelevant. The seat of control will only be in Washington in so far as the corporate lobby deems it necessary. Even with sovereignty, over the last 150 odd years, all you have to do is stop looking at each individual event in itself and see how they bleed one into the next. We are the oppressor-oppressed we feared. We create our own heaven-hell to enjoy and writhe in.

Stop focusing on a logical outcome (uniting the three countries in partnership) and refocus on the root causes that will lead us there - the events that brought us to where we are now and how we can affect those events you all foreshadow so much. Only by affecting the events of the present will you ward off the yet-to-be that you all fear even as you go about your daily routines well ensconced in its nascent presence.

Originally posted by vkey08
Why is this such a problem seriously.

National Identity? Are we that shallow as a human race that we need to think about such things anymore? The United States hardly has a National Identity anymore and that's the way it was supposed to be, an integration of peoples and ideas from all over in one giant melting pot. Why not merge us all together and see what collectively we can do? It would be without a doubt the most powerful alliance on the planet.

Forget the fear-mongering about "Oh my god we're not going to be Canadians anymore" or "The US isn't going to be free anymore" we aren't already deal with it or change it, otherwise this is probably the single best way to 1) fix our collective economic problems, 2) Ensure security for ourselves, and 3) finally once and for all show the world that we CAN be a powerful nation again, just not the nations that we were, weak, flaccid and deteriorating.

Well put.

I notice no one n this thread has been able to say just what these 'big differences' are between Canada and the US that would be lost.

But I'm sure the superfluous U lobby is quite concerned.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Danbones
good thread Russo
the problem is we will get the same governance austria got in ww2

So your interest in this is based on hate? At least enough so for you to make the leap that America is ran by Nazi's.

That is not conspiracy theory, it's just opinion based on hate, the same sort of hate that drove the Nazi's. Exactly the same.

In my experience living in both countries, many of the more sheltered Canadians tend to make "Americans" the other wo which they compare themselves. They have all kinds of ideas about 'how americans are', despite never actually spending any real time in the states.

I call it the little brother syndrome. They so desperately want to believe they are significantly different than Americans, despite all evidence to the contrary.

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


I was more surprised by the Russian and China parts.

Here you have it, folks: those 'significant differences' that would be lost:

Originally posted by MinorityReporter
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Well aside from Toronto and Alberta, Canada is very different than the US. I have lived all over Canada and have been to every state. Also my father is American with dual citizenship my mother is Canadian.

Here are a few differences which Americans sometimes view as weakness.
Please note USA like Canada is very regional and diverse. My next generalized comments are for debate purposes only.

1: We pay high taxes so we all enjoy basic health care.
2: Guns are way more of a rarity. Fights involve putting your dukes up mono e mono.
3: We don't send our soldiers to fight without first giving them the right to enjoy one of our superior beers.
4: We realize that the best defense for terror is to not engage in it.
5: Having all of the cultures of the world retain their diverse traditions makes us understand the world better.
6: True Canadians have at least a rudimentary understanding of french this is for the girls who are sexxxy.
7: And we understand that hockey is the most skilled manly sport on earth.
8: We tend to be more polite and humble.
9: Condescending is a word to describe how Americans come across a lot of the time.
10: We are all descendents of the Fonzie Ehhhhh

edit on 4-5-2011 by MinorityReporter because: add the last 3

Point by point of those 'significant differences'.

1. Health care is a significant difference. That's one.

2. LOL. The Metro Vancouver region has had an open drug gang war going on for the past few years. Shootings in broad daylight, a woman killed in front of her child, assassination style. NO point.
Source: www.vancouversun.com...

3. Yes, the drinking age is 19 instead of 21. Wow how significant!

4. You have troops in Afghanistan and have for years. NO point for you.

5. Are you under the impression 'foreigners' dont hold on to thei culture in America? Based on what? Ever been to any Chinatowns? Ever been to little mexico (S. California)? NO point.

6. And most Americans I know, coats to coast ave a rudimentary understanding of spanish NO point.

7.How trivial.

8. Nonsense. Canadians are jerks just like everyone else. They just dont say it to your face. Meekness is not politeness.

9. Funny, since you are being condescending right now.

10.Meh.


So you get one point out of ten. That's a FAIL. Essentially NO significant differences. Glad you agree.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


You have to be from Alberta. Am I right?
Albertans seem to have the same flair for condescension Canadians notice in Americans.
It's sort of a subtle I matter more than you kind of vibe. When I go abroad most Europeans know exactly what I'm talking about.

reply to post by MinorityReporter


Sigh.I am dual. I have never lived in Alberta. You are completely missing the point. But thanks for all the trivial and non-existent 'differences'. And I like how your posts have the same tone of condescension that you claim is an American trait.

IF you had ever spent any real time in the States you would know those sorts of generalizations are silly, and only apply to a small minority from a very specific demographic.

Originally posted by MinorityReporter
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

You have to be from Alberta. Am I right?
Albertans seem to have the same flair for condescension Canadians notice in Americans.
It's sort of a subtle I matter more than you kind of vibe. When I go abroad most Europeans know exactly what I'm talking about.

Please everybody in this thread needs to stop the hate. Americans vs Canadians and Canadians vs Albertans, it has to stop.

Originally posted by Sasky

Originally posted by MinorityReporter
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

You have to be from Alberta. Am I right?
Albertans seem to have the same flair for condescension Canadians notice in Americans.
It's sort of a subtle I matter more than you kind of vibe. When I go abroad most Europeans know exactly what I'm talking about.

Please everybody in this thread needs to stop the hate. Americans vs Canadians and Canadians vs Albertans, it has to stop.

Agreed.

For the record, it's the "Canadians' on this thread filling it full of anti-american stereotypes and hatred.

Of course, that's what fuels the "NAU" nuts; not facts, just plain old anti-american xenophobia.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


It doesn't matter who is instigating what. We are neighbours and good friends so we should all act like it.

reply to post by Sasky


I'm not disagreeing with you. If you will read the thread, I believe my point is quite relevant to the discussion about what 'deep integration' would actually mean, which is to say, very little in practice for the average Canadian or American.

Our 'differences' are trivial, the similarities astounding. Canadians and Americans would benefit from 'integration', and the only thing fueling the reaction against it is xenophobia and the superfluous U lobby.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by Sasky

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. If you will read the thread, I believe my point is quite relevant to the discussion about what 'deep integration' would actually mean, which is to say, very little in practice for the average Canadian or American.

Our 'differences' are trivial, the similarities astounding. Canadians and Americans would benefit from 'integration', and the only thing fueling the reaction against it is xenophobia and the superfluous U lobby.

edit on 5-5-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)

I am against it. I do not consider myself xenophobic like many of my fellow Canadians on this thread seem to be portraying themselves as. We are already the biggest bilateral trade partners in the world. You can't really get much bigger than that can you?

reply to post by Sasky


What aspects of it are you 'against', specifically, and why?

Thanks in advance for your answer.

(Canucks just beat nashville)

My dad who is a judge..
has told me numerous times that he's seen "NAU" trucks going down the highway.

I, for one....
am not happy about this.
Nor is he

reply to post by Ahmose


And what, pray tell, is an "NAU Truck"?

Are they delivering Nautical Airline Underwear?

Originally posted by WielderOfTheSwordOfTruth
reply to post by RUSSO

 

Yeah I agree the evil greed is everywhere in every nation and every city, it's quite a sad fact. And yeah I get what your saying I agree the people who run the countries are the ones screwing with everything, ever since Harpers government came into power Canada has really been going down the drain, he was such a suck-up to Bush, he loves USA politics he is aligning Canada to be more and more like the USA each year, and now he just won the election and got his majority, great.

Well, now we wait and see. Wish we could do something more than wait.

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


I am not counting out our older brother... He has secrets too.... the fact he has been quite about them and has much more empty area to hide it in means a lot


If I was in charge of this process I would try and make them (canada) better treated... it would remove the threat better...

For some reason their is that nagging little doubt in the back of my skull.... The same assessment you gave sound quite familiar to the one of 1812.... quite familiar ...


If came down to pure violence...

Quebec is the answer... give them a better cut then the rest and the same freedoms we had and poof...

(note without that split a level of difficulty will be added)

From there it is a fight... I trust enough in the spiritual line we are both descended form to know my brother to the north would put up one hell'uve a fight... and I am not so sure we would win

reply to post by ripcontrol


Mexico's issue he is the half brother... he went to go live with his father and well... see what a mess France made...

He cant manage his money at all... he is into drugs.. and is always trying to stop by and borrow money or eat us out of house and home..


I see them falling very quickly...

reply to post by MinorityReporter


I absolutely agree. Anyone that thinks Canadians are more open-minded than Americans is bloody ignorant to begin with. I just so happen to be the only one (that I know of) around here that actually knows what's going on in the world. There are some individuals I know who show some slight glimmers of hope (IE they're intrigued by what I say but are still to ignorant to discuss/accept it, usually I just get patronizing smiles and nods). But, on the whole, Canada is just as screwed as the States if these new policies come to fruition. Think about it, last week Harper went on a lil trip to New York to visit the CFR office in order to pass legislation toward the NAU end. He did this without the consent or even knowledge of our people, who supposedly elected the bastard. Then, he tried to pass a law that would allow FOX-style news up here. Now, don't get me wrong, our news is no more truthful than yours, but ours seems to be bent towards keeping us passive while "misdirecting" us from the important issues, while yours seems to be there to create fear and pure, unadultrated bullspit, while misdirecting you from your important national issues. They both lie, just in different ways. In my definition, an omission of truth is the same as a flat out bold-faced lie. However, our society generally does not try to openly divide us with total fabrications, but instead plants the seeds inconspicuously towards a less obvious form of discontent, which is equally as dangerous. I'll bet any money that it is this that keeps us separate, indifference. At one point we've just got to realise that we're all just human beings. The differences have been fabricated. Doesn't matter where you go.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Sasky

Originally posted by MinorityReporter
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

You have to be from Alberta. Am I right?
Albertans seem to have the same flair for condescension Canadians notice in Americans.
It's sort of a subtle I matter more than you kind of vibe. When I go abroad most Europeans know exactly what I'm talking about.

Please everybody in this thread needs to stop the hate. Americans vs Canadians and Canadians vs Albertans, it has to stop.

Agreed.

For the record, it's the "Canadians' on this thread filling it full of anti-american stereotypes and hatred.

Of course, that's what fuels the "NAU" nuts; not facts, just plain old anti-american xenophobia.

Upon further reflection and post election frustration (* beats head against wall*)

I think the point is not the American people being wrong or those xenophobic Canadian snobs.
Its the Canadian fear of loosing the firewall that insulates us from the policies of the US gov.

It's well proven that the forces the US fought back for its independence are again in charge. Not saying they aren't in charge of Canada as well we just have this socialist thing that limits our ability to flex illegal preemptive measures outside our borders.

Now if the US people, Can people and the Mex people got together and decided to make a new partnership with a mandate to kick out the money changing puppet masters. Create a free society that could inspire envy from the rest of the world. Pooling resources and tech to solve energy and food prob. This would be the peoples NWO and I would join with pride.