What the Australian media is saying about the OBL killing ... may surprise you!

Contrary to your title, nothing surprises me anymore. Extraterrestrials could land on earth tomorrow and all I'd say is "neat." There are a lot of messed up things about this world, and there are a lot of mysteries about this planet. Nobody should really be surprised about anything anymore.

Originally posted by Vrils r cool
reply to post by XRaDiiX

 

i heard a cbc report that he had a weapon on him and even fired it...


they are feeding us some major bull....

Who knows what they really are telling us then; perhaps they just make anything up to satiate us on the whim?

How can we trust the News?(Propoganda)

IT was common knowledge Osama was trained by the CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. He was a highly trained military combatant who understood many types of warfare and combat. His guards were likely well trained as well. Criticizing the Seal team for treating this like a combat mission rather than a LEO mission is plain stupid.

When I was in high school in the 90's some random bad guys held up in an electronics store with hostages. Guess what the SWAT team did? Well they didn't ask questions first. If I recall right most of them died quickly.

I keep reading "We are becoming the bad guys" huh?

I work with many people from many different places including the UK, and many different European countries and more. Each one will tell you America is way better other than a few little things they miss the freedoms are unmatched. (even if not up to where I want to see them.)

Back to the point: We are not becoming the bad guys, we are engaged in a war AQ started and OBL was a combatant. This is not a slippery slope. The mudslide happened.

To re-iterate this point: We heard about this on purpose. We never had to know.

We NEVER had to know This article is well sourced

I have changed my mind, while I don't like it I don't judge anyone who lost someone to terrorists for dancing in the streets. And anyone who cares to support them. Its not like we're celebrating the death of a non-combatant.

By the way: I am aware of the fact much of the main stream recounting of events is suspect. But for now it is what the common folk are going on and that is how they should be judged. You can't judge a person who is lied to by those they have been told their whole life to trust.

reply to post by Jinglelord


Actually having lived both in Australia and America, Australians have more freedoms than Americans.
Osama wasn't trained by the CIA in the 80's although people who don't know much about the war assume every mujahideen fighter was trained by America, in reality only a tiny % were.

Originally posted by moleskin

These sort of questions only serve to create more division. Really what has ANY country contributed to a better world in recent times....

I would argue, NOTHING. Not one country has done anything majorly to improve something of any significance to the population of the planet full stop. Because dropping bombs and shooting guns does nothing to truly help the global situation.

The only lessons learnt from war, are more efficient ways to kill people!

I don't know what fantasy land you live in, or what conspiracy theories
you partake, but in the-real-world there are HITLERS, STALINS, MAO's, Ahmadinijads, Bin Ladens, Jihadist,
and they have to have bombs dropped on them deservingly...
Killing Osama Bin Laden in fact helped the global situation because he can no longer plan
acts of terror (around the globe)...
Maybe one day we will get to where we don't have to drop bombs on psychopathic murderers,
that would be great. For now, we have to fight tooth and nail just to keep the little freedom that we have left..

To re-iterate this point: We heard about this on purpose. We never had to know.

reply to post by Jinglelord


Well, you omitted that we left a chopper on the ground and a guy commented on the raid on twitter in real-time ...

Killing Osama Bin Laden in fact helped the global situation because he can no longer plan
acts of terror...

reply to post by hillynilly


You mean the ones that the CIA trained him for and paid millions ... What world do you live in sir?

reply to post by mad scientist


The belief among educated people in the area (yes there were many educated Afghanis before the Taliban took over), as well as other supporting evidence you can find on Google. I will continue to believe he participated in the training programs we set up. Guess we'll never know now huh?

I will take back that the USA has the most freedoms. I would move to Australia after some of what I read but I know they restrict porn and firearms so I'm stayin right here.

reply to post by AllIsOne


Yes but we could have found another way that didn't require choppers and nobody going in the compound had to look like US assets.

Originally posted by AllIsOne

You mean the ones that the CIA trained him for and paid millions ... What world do you live in sir?

No I mean the ones Osama bin Laden came up with and paid for...

Maybe your too closed minded and comfortable in your own fantasy to realize
that people in the world would like to kill you only because of where you live, what you have,
and what religion you are...

reply to post by ExCommando


The cheering on the streets was, in my opinion and that of many people that I know, in poor taste. Quiet gladness that he's gone? Sure. Messages passed around between friends? Sure. Dancing in the streets? NO. However, many have the idea that these gatherings were at least in part contrived, put together before the announcement was even made. Stage dressing, if you will. Some factors? Late Sunday night before the announcement was made, yet so many people leave their homes to gather in public places? They have signs, ready-made, it seems, and flags in abundance? Plus, most of the shots I saw of crowds were very close shots, with very few showing anything like a big crowd. Maybe 2-3 did.

Then there are questions about the operation. Did it occur as stated? Was Osama even actually there? Why the quick burial, and why no pictures? Did the Pakistani government know? All over this site, many of these things are already being discussed, so I won't go into details. Suffice it to say, we have questions as well.

Now, I have to add, in the interests of honesty. If they did kill him as described, I am glad. I don't care at all about his "rights", or some stupid law. He didn't care when he orchestrated so many acts of terrorism, and was a threat to all free people. I would have shot him myself, whether he was armed or no, had the opportunity come up. Same as with any other dangerous creature.

reply to post by hillynilly



Thanks for the response... I think

Let me firstly re-quote what I replied too:
"Surprise me? No surprise, when was the last time Australia had
contributed anything to the world?

One of the a-lot- of talk- and no action countries who
have nothing else better to do but criticize...."

You were openly criticizing Australia, and asking what had Australia contributed to the world, to which I believed I responded by asking what had any country done for the world that aided humanity?

I then went on to discuss how bombs and bloodshed do not serve the purpose of humanity, to which your limited perspective shone clear. You see, you said people like Mao, Hitler, Bin Laden needed to be bombed.

But bombing is hardly a fine art my friend, bombing is catastrophic, and at what point do you continue when the ends do not fairly justify the means? America has lost more soldiers as a result of the wars started by Bush, than the lives that were lost on 9/11. Not to mention the massive amount of civilian and other armed casualties as a result of such wars.

You see bombs do not discriminate, and the complete lack of respect for innocent human life is a tragedy. And again, I ask for clear proof of Bin Laden being behind the terror of 9/11. I won't say he didn't do it, I just won't say he did.

Also remember, one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter... it could be argued the US's constitution is built upon terrorism, but I understand the reasoning behind it. I hope that further clarifies my position, but I do like my fantasy world

What a bunch of numbskulls exist today.

Let me slaughter all your relatives with a gun and then let me give you a loaded gun and ask you to forgive me and hand me over to the Police for justice.

Yeah right!

What idealistic claptrap some propose.

Originally posted by daggyz
What a bunch of numbskulls exist today.

Let me slaughter all your relatives with a gun and then let me give you a loaded gun and ask you to forgive me and hand me over to the Police for justice.

Yeah right!

What idealistic claptrap some propose.

The numbskulls are those that DON'T READ THE TOPIC OR THE OP!!!!!

reply to post by ExCommando


Whatever. I told you I was a nihilist. At this point, I don't give a crap what anyone thinks.

My morality is different than yours I'm sure. I dont care if I'm as "bad" as the terrorist. My goal is to win.

I have a friend that also served in the military, and when he saw a couple of us guys celebrating the death of Bin Laden on Monday he told us it was wrong. But he bought me a drink later.

I respect your opinion but I also believe many people don't know themselves. They talk a good game about being for peace, but have humans ever been for peace?

People who tell others not to kill bad people I think do it because they are afraid of being judged themselves.

I'll tell you one thing. If I had his skull I would crap in it. This is no lie. And I am also the type to try to avoid the military...but if push came to shove I would fight.

Originally posted by windwaker
reply to post by ExCommando

 

Whatever. I told you I was a nihilist. At this point, I don't give a crap what anyone thinks.

My morality is different than yours I'm sure. I dont care if I'm as "bad" as the terrorist. My goal is to win.

I have a friend that also served in the military, and when he saw a couple of us guys celebrating the death of Bin Laden on Monday he told us it was wrong. But he bought me a drink later.

I respect your opinion but I also believe many people don't know themselves. They talk a good game about being for peace, but have humans ever been for peace?

People who tell others not to kill bad people I think do it because they are afraid of being judged themselves.

I'll tell you one thing. If I had his skull I would crap in it. This is no lie. And I am also the type to try to avoid the military...but if push came to shove I would fight.

edit on 5-5-2011 by windwaker because: (no reason given)

You contradict yourself on almost every paragraph.

I don't really understand what point (if any) you are trying to make. But thanks for posting nonetheless.

Originally posted by moleskin
reply to post by hillynilly

 

Thanks for the response... I think

Let me firstly re-quote what I replied too:
"Surprise me? No surprise, when was the last time Australia had
contributed anything to the world?

One of the a-lot- of talk- and no action countries who
have nothing else better to do but criticize...."

You were openly criticizing Australia, and asking what had Australia contributed to the world, to which I believed I responded by asking what had any country done for the world that aided humanity?

I then went on to discuss how bombs and bloodshed do not serve the purpose of humanity, to which your limited perspective shone clear. You see, you said people like Mao, Hitler, Bin Laden needed to be bombed.

But bombing is hardly a fine art my friend, bombing is catastrophic, and at what point do you continue when the ends do not fairly justify the means? America has lost more soldiers as a result of the wars started by Bush, than the lives that were lost on 9/11. Not to mention the massive amount of civilian and other armed casualties as a result of such wars.

You see bombs do not discriminate, and the complete lack of respect for innocent human life is a tragedy. And again, I ask for clear proof of Bin Laden being behind the terror of 9/11. I won't say he didn't do it, I just won't say he did.

Also remember, one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter... it could be argued the US's constitution is built upon terrorism, but I understand the reasoning behind it. I hope that further clarifies my position, but I do like my fantasy world

You were openly criticizing Australia, and asking what had Australia contributed to the world, to which I believed I responded by asking what had any country done for the world that aided humanity?

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Well what has Australia done to contribute to the world except criticism?

I told you, AMERICA just killed bin laden making the world safer.....
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I then went on to discuss how bombs and bloodshed do not serve the purpose of humanity, to which your limited perspective shone clear. You see, you said people like Mao, Hitler, Bin Laden needed to be bombed.

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So there was no need to defeat Hitler? OOOOOOOOOK
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But bombing is hardly a fine art my friend, bombing is catastrophic, and at what point do you continue when the ends do not fairly justify the means? America has lost more soldiers as a result of the wars started by Bush, than the lives that were lost on 9/11. Not to mention the massive amount of civilian and other armed casualties as a result of such wars.

People died defeating Hitler also, people will die defeating radical islamic terrorist...
So we should of let Hitler take over the world? So we should let radical islam take over the world?
I beg to differ, a laser guided missile is fine art my friend, it reduces as many casualties as possible with pin point accuracy. You can use a bullet, a bow and arrow, a freaking rock, I was using bombs as a *generalization*.
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You see bombs do not discriminate, and the complete lack of respect for innocent human life is a tragedy. And again, I ask for clear proof of Bin Laden being behind the terror of 9/11. I won't say he didn't do it, I just won't say he did.
but I do like my fantasy world

Clear proof? Bin Laden released videos tapes where he brags about it calling on global jihad!
Get real!!!
Thats right you live in a fantasy world where you just make stuff up as you see fit like your last entire post...

The sites motto is deny ignorance, you sir embrace it....

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


You hear about the time the US soldiers had to climb a mountain in Afghanistan with the aussie SAS? You morons forgot how cold it is at the top while carrying all your heavy artillary. SAS were rugged up while your great soldiers almost froze to death. Our SAS help you with the things your soldiers have not been taught.

That came from an SAS soldier who got the privelige of being there. When I find it, I will quote the whole chapter for you clown.

reply to post by hillynilly


I won't quote, because that would just be too annoying

Ok what has Australia contributed...

1. Sports, for a small country it competes over and above on many levels of international level of sport.
2. People, how many Aussies have you met? I would say, they are as friendly and easy going as you are likely to get.
3. Resources, that's right, Australia is, on the whole an export nation, that has helped continue to feed the global economy after other nations help to pretty much bankrupt the global economy.
4. Support for their allies, globally, and regionally. Yes, Australia has supported the US and UK in both Afghanistan and Iraq. It also supported those same allies in; Vietnam, WW2 & WW1, taking many casualties along the road. Australia is geographically one of the most isolated countries in the world, and it would be easy to stay out of conflicts, but yet, it does its bit none the less. It doesn't start the mess, but supports allies.

That's just off the top of my head...

Now back to the bombs. Hitler committed suicide, no bomb killed him. With all the lazer guided missiles we have at our disposal why is it there have been almost 1million deaths in Iraq? Or is that the American Governments contribution to positive global affairs? Of course I could discuss the civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well, not to mention similar incidents in Yemen?

So how many people have to die for the death of one man? And no you cannot compare Hitler to Osama. The world doesn't need terrorists, and it certainly doesn't need crazy idealistic/fascist dictators either. But Hitler went to war with most of Europe, who exactly got bombed in the campaigns? Because it certainly wasn't hitler, and the same goes for the bombs dropped over the rest of Europe, innocent civilians paid the ultimate price, time and time again.

But I must applaud you and trying to make my words fit an agenda which raises your standing in this discussion, because I am sure I never mentioned that Hitler should have been allowed to take over the world, but believe what you wish.

Clear proof I am afraid IS NOT an admission on a poor quality VHS. Clear proof is evidence which points out inconclusively that Osama constructed the whole of 9/11 to take place. Clear proof leaves no questions to be asked. Here is one for you, let me video myself, where I clearly state, I had sex with Britney Spears... Does that mean it actually happened? Would that be proof enough for you? That would be made up, as opposed to my views that violence only helps to create more violence.

You say the world is now a safer place with Bin Laden gone? If, what has happened, has happened, then the US has just proved to the whole world, that they are not afraid to go into any country and take anyone out regardless of international laws, respect for human life and/or the right to a trial. That effectively means, if the US decides I am a threat to national security, they can come and shoot me up in the middle of the night, without giving a dam about my human rights, or the laws which govern such country nationally or internationally.

I could get onto the subject of revenge attacks also making the world a less than safe place, but would probably be wasting my breath.

Originally posted by Redevilfan09
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

You hear about the time the US soldiers had to climb a mountain in Afghanistan with the aussie SAS? You morons forgot how cold it is at the top while carrying all your heavy artillary. SAS were rugged up while your great soldiers almost froze to death. Our SAS help you with the things your soldiers have not been taught.

That came from an SAS soldier who got the privelige of being there. When I find it, I will quote the whole chapter for you clown.

edit on 5-5-2011 by Redevilfan09 because: (no reason given)

Hahahaha! I can totally see that happening. Hell, I've made bonehead moves like that myself a time or two. Nothing like a bit of self-inflicted humiliation.

Did the SAS guys ping to the situation before starting to head up? Because that's always an excellent lesson in humility...realizing the other guy was watching you be a totally oblivious dumbass for the past 4 or 5 hours....

XD