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JFK murdered by secret society?

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posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 03:08 PM
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I was wondering if anyone has heard the rumor of JFK having the final shot to the head from the driver . It appears the driver reaches down under the seat turns with an objest under his right arm and the final shot is fired blowing the back of his head out, at that time Jackie trys to exit the car.
Does any one know of this and what orginization put this hit out on him.

[edit on 30-7-2004 by dexbiafra]




posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 03:56 PM
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hi, yeah I've heard of that one b4 as well, but rather than me give my two cents worth have a look at this site www.blackopradio.com...
Maybe you know about it already, but if you haven't it's crammed full of interesting stuff, try the archived shows and Links.



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 05:07 PM
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In the recent book "I hear you paint houses" Frank Sheeran claims he was there when Jimmy Hoffa ordered the hit on Kennedy; and that he delivered 3 rifles to David Ferrie.

Frank Sheeran claims to have shot Hoffa in the head, behind the ear, twice.

One ice-cold specimen of humanity.



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 05:22 PM
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It is possible that this was a mob hit, but no hard evidence supports it.

According to the Warren Commission, Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist sympathizer, murdered the President in retaliation for the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba.
We do know that Oswald was a very staunch Marxist-Leninist, and that he detested Kennedy. But this doesn't explain why Oswald was assasinated by Jack Ruby, who was well-known to have mob ties. I don't believe that Ruby would have killed Oswald just to show his patriotism.



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 08:38 PM
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supposedly the driver was hired by Majestic 12 to kill kennedy because kennedy was gonna clean up MJ12



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 09:06 PM
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I am a big fan of the Kennedy Conspiracy Theories.
I doubt a "secret society" have him hit.
I doubt Oswald killed him. If he actually shot him, he did not act alone. At this point, I'm not sure it makes much difference who killed him. There were obviously powerful people involved.

BTW, many other threads deal with this topic. By chance, have you been able to read any of them? The driver theory is mentioned in at least one of the more recent threads.



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 11:28 PM
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This is constantly brought up and it isn't true.

From the Sixth Floor Museum Website:

"The 'driver did it' theory started with a poor-quality copy of the [Zapruder] film in which the image was very unclear. What was thought to be a pistol was actually the top of a passenger's head."

www.sixthfloormuseum.com...



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 11:31 PM
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I've seen the video where the driver turns and shoots Kennedy in the head, pretty damn disturbing, but it doesn't explain who was ultimately responsible. Only thing it does prove is that their was some conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, but this is common knowledge at this point.



posted on Jul, 30 2004 @ 11:50 PM
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Again, you saw a poor quality version of the film.

Why would the driver (William Greer) shoot the President? How could he be sure no one would notice him?

Well, no one did notice him. Not a single witness in the car reported that Greer shot the President.



posted on Jul, 31 2004 @ 02:45 AM
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It gets to the point where the question needs to be asked, 'Who didn't shoot Kennedy?' Everybody seems to end up getting the blame 4 it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a claim that Jackie O shot him with a tricky little handbag gun, because of JFK's womanising ways. Like I said, check out Blackops site, especially the archived interviews with Fletcher Prouty. It has a different take on the nightmare on Elm Street than the 6th Floor museum, but surely a variety of sources and theories is healthy.



posted on Jul, 31 2004 @ 12:35 PM
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Prouty was a liar.

mcadams.posc.mu.edu...



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 12:14 PM
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Prouty was a liar.

You wouldn't be a devotee of Gerald Posners by any chance?
I had a look at McAdams site and it quickly degenerates into a venomous personal attack piece. Which is always a tell tale give away.
Hey 3rd eye...right back at ya www.prouty.org...






[edit on 2-8-2004 by Zero Point]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 12:18 PM
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the federal reserve system is involved. kennedy tried to print interest free-notes backed by silver, which would put the fed out of business. he passed an executive order to that effect, and was killed soon thereafter. johnson actually rescinded the order on air force one the day jfk was killed...oh, lincoln tried to do the same thing, and grover cleveland...hmm.....



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Zero Point


Prouty was a liar.

You wouldn't be a devotee of Gerald Posners by any chance?
I had a look at McAdams site and it quickly degenerates into a venomous personal attack piece. Which is always a tell tale give away.
Hey 3rd eye...right back at ya www.prouty.org...






[edit on 2-8-2004 by Zero Point]


Did you read McAdams' page? In those four critiques, I don't see anyone refuting McAdams' conclusions.

No, I'm not a supporter of Gerald Posner.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by radagast
the federal reserve system is involved. kennedy tried to print interest free-notes backed by silver, which would put the fed out of business. he passed an executive order to that effect, and was killed soon thereafter. johnson actually rescinded the order on air force one the day jfk was killed...oh, lincoln tried to do the same thing, and grover cleveland...hmm.....


Kennedy was NOT killed by the Federal Reserve. You can read about this conspiracy factoid here.

mcadams.posc.mu.edu...



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 12:22 AM
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Did you read McAdams' page? In those four critiques, I don't see anyone refuting McAdams' conclusions.

Yeah I read it...did you read www.prouty.org... ?
Having read the links posted in your signature, you seem to be at odds with the official 'story', yet I find it a little puzzling that you use John McAdams to back up your beliefs.


[edit on 3-8-2004 by Zero Point]



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Khonsu
I've seen the video where the driver turns and shoots Kennedy in the head, pretty damn disturbing, but it doesn't explain who was ultimately responsible. Only thing it does prove is that their was some conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, but this is common knowledge at this point.







WHere can I find a copy of that film to see i for myself? I dont believe thats what killed Kennedy though.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 08:09 AM
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JFK conspiracy theorists await (audio) tape release
3 August

"Conspiracy theorists will no doubt delight in the news that a tape recording of the event, that's too fragile to listen to, may soon be replicated.
The recording, made on a police motorcycle radio, indicates there were four gunshots, lending weight to that much debated theory that a second gunman was involved."
www.abc.net.au...

We'll have to wait to see what the 'results' are, I guess.
Sanc'.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Zero Point


Did you read McAdams' page? In those four critiques, I don't see anyone refuting McAdams' conclusions.

Yeah I read it...did you read www.prouty.org... ?
Having read the links posted in your signature, you seem to be at odds with the official 'story', yet I find it a little puzzling that you use John McAdams to back up your beliefs.


[edit on 3-8-2004 by Zero Point]


Yes, I did read it and only once in the four critiques does the author attempt to answer McAdams' criticism (and rather poorly).

"My next example from this website and I only use it because again it show the insidious use of words to make certain material appear factual when it is not. The section was entitled: Proudyism #4 - Assassins Shooting Blanks: He uses information which he gives credit to some individual called Gary Nivagg who in some way is supposed to give credibility to the information. However, we are not told who this Gary Nivagg is, or what his credentials are. But mcadams used what he claimed to be this gentleman's information to dispute the Colonel's information that the President's assassins could have used the firing squad concept where one assassin is holding a blank, the others real ammo and because none of them know which one of them has the live ammo, if the assassin team were ever caught and questioned any one of them could truthfully say they did not kill the President. Mcadams felt that you could tell the difference in the recoiling mechanism of a gun fired with live ammo versus a gun firing blanks. My understanding of ammo in the form of pellets or as a missile head, to fire the cartridge it still must contain powder or some material to ignite and discharge the missile, and if that being the case the impact felt would be no different between the gun firing the live ammo and the gun firing the blank."

Why would Presidential assassins have any problems with lying under oath? They are willing to kill the President but are unwilling to lie?


In another poor attempt at defending Prouty from McAdams, the website you presented has a link to an article written by Michael T. Griffith. However, if this Prouty supporter had dug a little deeper, he would have seen this at the end of Griffith's article:

"All of this is not to say McAdams never makes a valid point. Some of his arguments are valid. I am in substantial agreement with him on matters like the claims of L. Fletcher Prouty (my emphasis), the alleged D.C. phone blackout, the Roscoe White affair, James Files and his "confession," Robert Morrow's claims, and the forged police report on an alleged fight between Oswald and Ruby.

Also, to his credit, McAdams frequently offers the reader links to quality conspiracy web sites (which, ironically enough, refute many of the claims he presents!). McAdams also offers a good selection of assassination-related photos. McAdams does a good job of presenting the lone-gunman case, such as it is, on just about every issue involved in the JFK assassination."


ourworld.cs.com...



[edit on 3-8-2004 by maynardsthirdeye]



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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Also, to his credit, McAdams frequently offers the reader links to quality conspiracy web sites (which, ironically enough, refute many of the claims he presents!). McAdams also offers a good selection of assassination-related photos. McAdams does a good job of presenting the lone-gunman case, such as it is, on just about every issue involved in the JFK assassination."

Why is it that you cut and pasted the above yet omitted the very next line below it, which was:However, as I think I have shown, McAdams presents many erroneous arguments and some badly outdated information.



The section was entitled: Proudyism #4 - Assassins Shooting Blanks:

Can you show where Col Prouty ever made the claim about one shooter having a blank. B4 you say 'it was in Oliver Stones JFK', remember that a: it was a movie and movies use artistic license and b: the character Man X is an amalgamation of several people. C: A shooter using a blank is a firing squad technique, not something one would use in a military style cross-fire ambush. So show the quote where Col Prouty said one man was packing a blank.
I mean think about it....No one would send snipers out with a blank.
It is too important, you may only have one shot.
Snipers killed JFK not Lee Oswald.



[edit on 3-8-2004 by Zero Point]



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