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Obama Birth Certificate Case Heard In 9th Circuit Court

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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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But it has not deterred Orly Taitz, an attorney at the forefront of the birther movement. On Monday, Taitz told a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that the long-form birth certificate released by Obama is "not a true and correct image."


First I heard that she was also contesting the long form BC
Great article from the huff today give it read if you got the time.
I hope the courts do take it on but I cant see them standing up to the president when even the supreme court is in their pockets...


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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Since we all know that Orly is not a document expert, I am very curious who her expert witness was that verified for her that this LFBC was fake. I did not find that in the article you posted. Any word on that?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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As much as I wish the truth would be revealed to the country.
The courts are never going to let this case win.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
Since we all know that Orly is not a document expert, I am very curious who her expert witness was that verified for her that this LFBC was fake. I did not find that in the article you posted. Any word on that?


wow your a freakishly fast reader or you hit the huff before i posted


I can't say but I'm sure she'll have no problems finding one.
She could look for them here[/u rl] I found the first link pretty solid [url=http://www.blippitt.com/proof-that-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate-is-fake-video]BlipPitt Lots of professionals are willing to print this tho youd never tell from a google search lol
btw you might want to bookmark the engine i linked


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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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As much as we need to keep pressing this issue, I doubt it will ever get heard. I don't see what the problem is, let the courts hear the case. If the case isn't presented properly, rule in favor of Obama and be done with it.

Not that the BC matters anyway. There are plenty of other things that the MSM will not even touch. Like his dad's nationality, his being adopted, his name change.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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If you want the truth, everyone sit tight until Trumps billions are done at work. He is about the only person who will stand up against the president of the United States!!



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
If you want the truth, everyone sit tight until Trumps billions are done at work. He is about the only person who will stand up against the president of the United States!!


Lol maybe its just me but i got about has much faith in trump as I do in Obama or Bush...
thats to say none at all


I think ths lady or this one www.abovetopsecret.com... (btw please give this a bump it should be front page news all over) are a far better bet.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Anyone that references Orly Taitz, other than as an example of someone who has lost touch with reality, is as ignorant as she is about the law, delusional as she is, or both.

Taitz won’t stop filing lawsuits, ignoring what the Courts have consistently and time after time told her, until she is disbarred, and when she is her fans will screech, as loud as she does, “CONSPIRACY! COVER UP!,” without having read one single brief of Taitz’s and realizing these are the ramblings of someone who needs mental help.

It’s embarrassing that so many ATS members give this birther issue so much credence, but even more embarrassing is seeing so many ATS members think Taitz is anything other than a nut.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat
wow your a freakishly fast reader or you hit the huff before i posted


Yeah, there is no way anyone but you read that story before you posted it in ATS I suppose? I mean, it is not like HUFFPO and AOL joined up or anything and I get HUFFPO headlines all day long now. I am just amazing.


I can't say but I'm sure she'll have no problems finding one.
She could look for them


Cool but I am not going to find one for her. SHe must have consulted one BEFORE she went to court, no?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by UcDat
wow your a freakishly fast reader or you hit the huff before i posted


Yeah, there is no way anyone but you read that story before you posted it in ATS I suppose? I mean, it is not like HUFFPO and AOL joined up or anything and I get HUFFPO headlines all day long now. I am just amazing.


I can't say but I'm sure she'll have no problems finding one.
She could look for them


Cool but I am not going to find one for her. SHe must have consulted one BEFORE she went to court, no?


Really you are amazing(ly Unwavering) in your defence of TPTB But at least Im not the only one reading the huff still.

As for finding one for her didn't really expect you too lol it be like asking Tiger to babysit a mouse


but like I said plenty of people are stepping up to add their voices to uncovering this hoax I'm sure if she hasn't already got an expert many will be willing to step up.
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat
Really you are amazing(ly Unwavering) in your defence of TPTB But at least Im not the only one reading the huff still.


You got me way wrong here. I am not defending anyone. It is simple basic obvious truths I am after.
If you caught a child molestor in the act and then accused him of being half reptile, I would argue he is not half reptile. Would you accuse me of defending child molestors? Have legitimate complaints about TPTB? Me too. Have this birther crap? I will argue it. The birther movement is nothing but a giant ignorance parade and even if the target were Bush I would feel the same way.


As for finding one for her didn't really expect you too lol it be like asking Tiger to babysit a mouse


Again, you have me all wrong. If you had been paying attention to my replies to you in threads like you said you had, you would see that I actually went to an expert rounding up by the birthers. Can I get any more unpartisan than that? The same expert WND went to prove it was fake is the one I went to. He has confirmed repeatedly that your youtube videos and armchair analysis are wrong. Find a better expert than WND did. I am sure you can.


but like I said plenty of people are stepping up to add their voices to uncovering this hoax I'm sure if she hasn't already got an expert many will be willing to step up.
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OK, I am going to try and ask you to be reasonable again. You support Orly in this. Yet, you believe there is even a chance she went to court claiming the BC is fake without first finding someone to demonstrate that it is fake? Do you really support the idea that she is going to just go to court with a claim and hope the judges believe her? Are you really only thinking this far?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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I dunno if your mom shot a home movie of disneyland and put up on youtube would you say disneyland doesnt exist unless some official confirmed it? because that to me is your argument
as for Trembley defending this the man already a proven liar if you look you'll see I posted a vid that proves his OCR angle is bs...



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat
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I dunno if your mom shot a home movie of disneyland and put up on youtube would you say disneyland doesnt exist unless some official confirmed it?


If my mom went to Disneyland, I would know about it.

If some stranger posted a video and said it was Disneyland, then I guess I would have to see something in the video that I can only see at Disneyland, otherwise no. Then again, what would be the political motivation for faking a trip to disneyland by your mom? You honestly think the motivations are the same?


because that to me is your argument


No, that is your argument. You just made it up. If some strangers posts a youtube video saying things, NO I do not just believe what they say in their video. I cannot believe you do?


as for Trembley defending this the man already a proven liar if you look you'll see I posted a vid that proves his OCR angle is bs...


No, you put up a video that CLAIMS his OCR angle is BS.

No one has refuted the WND expert analysis even a little bit.
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by aptness
Anyone that references Orly Taitz, other than as an example of someone who has lost touch with reality, is as ignorant as she is about the law, delusional as she is, or both.

Taitz won’t stop filing lawsuits, ignoring what the Courts have consistently and time after time told her, until she is disbarred, and when she is her fans will screech, as loud as she does, “CONSPIRACY! COVER UP!,” without having read one single brief of Taitz’s and realizing these are the ramblings of someone who needs mental help.

It’s embarrassing that so many ATS members give this birther issue so much credence, but even more embarrassing is seeing so many ATS members think Taitz is anything other than a nut.


Taitz presents very interesting questions that should concern everyone. She is identifying the abuse of the US Constitution with evidence. Since you are so quick to discredit her, maybe you would kindly inform all of us with your empirical arguments. Ad hominem attacks prove nothing. IMHO, a closed mind with a normalcy bias is very embarrassing.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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All we have seen is a photocopy of an alleged BC - one that is proven to have been manipulated at that!

That is not good enough for most ID purposes let alone the most sensitive job in the world! - they allways insist on the original documents!

The media has almost as much to lose as Obama if he is proved to be inelligible

Hence the media's rush to accept it as genuine, no questions asked, case closed - lets move on to the Osama story!

This whole release of the BC is an attempt to head off the release of Gerome Corsi book beforeit is top ofthe best seller lists.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
All we have seen is a photocopy of an alleged BC - one that is proven to have been manipulated at that!


Do you know what was manipulated, how and why? Any clue?


That is not good enough for most ID purposes let alone the most sensitive job in the world! - they allways insist on the original documents!


The short form released in 2008 is good enough according to the constitution and the State of Hawaii. You are reaching waaaaaaaaay back.


The media has almost as much to lose as Obama if he is proved to be inelligible

Hence the media's rush to accept it as genuine, no questions asked, case closed - lets move on to the Osama story!

This whole release of the BC is an attempt to head off the release of Gerome Corsi book beforeit is top ofthe best seller lists.


Keep thinking that.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
Taitz presents very interesting questions that should concern everyone.
I’m sure they are ‘interesting’ to some, but what matters in the real world is not if some people find them ‘interesting,’ but if they are well-founded and legally relevant. Unfortunately for Taitz her questions are neither.


She is identifying the abuse of the US Constitution with evidence.
You’re talking about a woman who has been fooled by the alleged Kenyan birth certificate, an admitted hoax, and presented it as ‘evidence’ in her lawsuit.

If I’m not so eager as you to accept what Taitz espouses as evidence it’s because everything she has presented has either been complete fiction or outright lies.


Since you are so quick to discredit her
I have followed this birther nonsense for a while, primarily due to the lawsuits filed, and if I’m quick to discredit her it’s because her — and I’m being charitable here — body of work doesn’t deserve any credit.

If my comments seem harsh it’s because this woman is making a mockery out of profession that is actually very important and dear to some of us.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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It is not possible to know what was done to that document - only that that the text was added in a whole series of layers during which anything could have been added or subtracted - this is the opinion of experts in the field! - and is why the BC they showed is worthless as proof.



So I will try to explain my stupid, conservative view (redundant, I know) of epistemology -- with the use of a poker analogy.

Let's say the poker hand comes down to the final call and the only ones left in the game are you and a fellow named Hussein. You have a flush, and you lay down your hand for all to see. Hussein says, "I have a full house" and rakes in the pot. You say, "Wait a minute; let's see it."

Here is where it gets interesting. The other players, those who dropped, start calling you stupid because "a full house beats a flush." You say, "I know that, but I want to see his full house." The others say, "You already saw him, just before you raised." You say, "No, I mean with my eyes." And they keep repeating "a full house beats a flush." Hussein, being above the fray, says "Don't get all flustered you guys. I have jacks over threes." And he lays down two jacks and two threes -- four of his five cards. The other players say, "See, he told you he has a full house. Why do you keep doubting that?" You say, "But that's not his whole hand; right now it's only two pair, and my flush beats two pair."

The others then lose it. "He showed you four of his cards! All the evidence points to a full house, just like he says. There is no evidence whatsoever that he does not have a full house. What does it take to convince you?"


www.americanthinker.com...
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
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It is not possible to know what was done to that document - only that that the text was added in a whole series of layers during which anything could have been added or subtracted - this is the opinion of experts in the field! - and is why the BC they showed is worthless as proof.


What "experts" in the field are you talking about? I have only seen one actual expert look it over and he did not reach the same conclusion as you. The bottom layer is the giveaway that no text was changed, added, or removed. I am eager to see what your experts have to say and FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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Next time someone asks to see some documents of yours - you try just handing them a photocopy, or tell them youre entitled to your privacy, or its racist to ask!



A computer document expert who analyzed the online image of Barack Obama's purported Certificate of Live Birth for WND confirmed there are anomalies inconsistent with a simple scanning process, and there is evidence it has been manipulated, but there's no way to determine exactly what may have been modified. The end result is that while it is known there were changes, the full extent of operations that were done to the image cannot be determined at this point. Read more: Online 'birth certificate' document 'was changed' www.wnd.com...


www.wnd.com...



It was analyzed by Ivan Zatkovich of Tampa-based eComp Consultants, which consults on intellectual property for telecommunications, web publishing and ecommerce and has provided services for corporations such as McGraw-Hill, Houghton-Mifflin, Citicorp and Amazon.com. Zatkovich has 28 years experience in computer science and document management and for more than 10 years has been an expert witness providing testimony in federal court in both criminal and civil litigation. He confirmed that the multiple layers of the PDF document are anomalous. "When a paper document is scanned on a scanner and saved as a PDF file it normally contains only a single layer of graphical information. The PDF that appears on the White House website however, contains multiple layers of graphic information. Multiple layers usually appear in a document like this when it is being edited or modified in some fashion. "It is possible to take a single layer PDF and inadvertently create multiple layers, without changing the image in any fashion. But that does not appear to be the case here. The multiple layers in the PDF document are a result of changes made to the image," his report said. Read more: Online 'birth certificate' document 'was changed' www.wnd.com...






First, let's look at the document itself. I would like you to compare and contrast it with what I call the "control" long-form birth certificate from Hawaii circa August 1961 – the one belonging to the Nordyke twins, born just one day later than Obama's reputed Aug. 4 birthdate. What do you see? Do you see two documents that provide the same information? No. Do you see two identical documents? No. Why not? It's a simple question. Why would two long-form birth certificates from Hawaii, filled out at the same hospital within 24 hours of each other be so different? No explanation was provided by Team Obama, and, of course, none was requested by the media watchdogs who were in a hurry to show they didn't miss the biggest political fraud of the 21st century. Sadly, if what is represented on this new "birth certificate" is an accurate representation of Obama's actual birth, it does not prove he is eligible to be president, but just the opposite.



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