Not Everyone Believes Bin Laden Is Really Dead

Okay, ummm...."alleged duplicity"!? Alleged!!!? Come on. Surely no thinking person has trusted any Western government in the past 40 years, but to even insert the word "alleged" to placate Western viewers is just absurd.

It doesn't matter whether he's dead or not. The US reaction to such news was appalling. I've spent a long time being ashamed of the United States, but never more so than now. This has gone far too far.

This may be somewhat off-topic, but I do invite you all to review the events of the past and really do some national soul-searching. It won't stop what's coming next, but it might allow you to accept it a bit more gracefully than the way things have been done in the past.

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Actually Helmut one of the Super Moderators did a very interesting but little noticed thread a couple years back on a region in Paraquay that has a lot of suspicious activity that is worth taking a look at.

Some interesting research and theories.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Do you think some of this could have to do with sending Patraeus to the CIA and wanting to 'clean house' before he gets there?

This is something I think could be looming large in the decision to do this now.

absolutely correct.
Obama must have found out that
Osama was already dead and the
Bin Laden charade was ongoing and
wanted to correct it. If this had been
an actual SEAL Black Op, do you think
they would have posted images of Obama's
cabinet watching it live ??? It was staged
to give the Pak Op Credibility.
Bin Laden has been dead since 2001
in Tora Bora but the CIA with held that info
to it's advantage and Obama is trying
to fix it. I applaud him for that but he still
doesn't get my vote. Mainly cuz he used
it as an election tool instead of doing it
when he got into office.

the U.S. says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and after the firefight that killed him.

How would they have his DNA "before" they killed him if they "never met" him prior to that?

How did they have samples on "file" to "confirm" his identity?

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
Okay, ummm...."alleged duplicity"!? Alleged!!!? Come on. Surely no thinking person has trusted any Western government in the past 40 years, but to even insert the word "alleged" to placate Western viewers is just absurd.

It doesn't matter whether he's dead or not. The US reaction to such news was appalling. I've spent a long time being ashamed of the United States, but never more so than now. This has gone far too far.

This may be somewhat off-topic, but I do invite you all to review the events of the past and really do some national soul-searching. It won't stop what's coming next, but it might allow you to accept it a bit more gracefully than the way things have been done in the past.

I think a lot of Americans feel this way, a sometimes but not always silent, and often ridiculed minority who have in many ways come out in recent days to express their outrage over the details and inconsistencies in the story.

So many even the Military Industrial Complex Schills on the site seem to be questioning where they all have come from.

We might have free speech here in America but one thing about our capitalist society is things that are free just don't seem to have much value at all.

Ah but be a corporate or foreign lobbyists who can plunk down a paper bag full of cash on the politicians desk you are giving a 'speach' to, and the whole world changes.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by moogins

the U.S. says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and after the firefight that killed him.

How would they have his DNA "before" they killed him if they "never met" him prior to that?
How did they have samples on "file" to "confirm" his identity?

they could have used DNA from his father
and his son to make that comparison.

Old bins been dead several years now.. Just the americans claim they killed him a few days ago - a ploy to justify their illegal / immoral wars and get damn obama reelected..
And the other side claiming he is alive to boost morale..
All sides are crazy neh..

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Do you think some of this could have to do with sending Patraeus to the CIA and wanting to 'clean house' before he gets there?

This is something I think could be looming large in the decision to do this now.

absolutely correct.
Obama must have found out that
Osama was already dead and the
Bin Laden charade was ongoing and
wanted to correct it. If this had been
an actual SEAL Black Op, do you think
they would have posted images of Obama's
cabinet watching it live ??? It was staged
to give the Pak Op Credibility.
Bin Laden has been dead since 2001
in Tora Bora but the CIA with held that info
to it's advantage and Obama is trying
to fix it. I applaud him for that but he still
doesn't get my vote.

I believe he met his end in Tora Bora also in 2001, and that the actual body is irretrievable and burried under a mountain side collapsed on it.

They very well might have taken some DNA at the time though to 'game' tests now.

I wonder where Patreaus is concerned is if it's concern about him fully knowing the deception and talking to someone like the Rolling Stone Magazine again with details that they would like to get rid of before he takes the helm at Langley?

The only problem though with that line of thinking is why they would place him at Langley?

Unless he perhaps found out about it and has threatened to release details if they don't end the Charade?

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thanks for the lead Proto
There is something to the move down south thing
the PTB crashed some economys so theycould buy it all up cheap...
did I not read soros is the BIGGEST beef dude down there


Heh, I did one about one of the cool super subs they went there with
Hitler patagonia...beaches babes beer....

Then we have Bush and others buying up the real estate in the vicinity of US army bases

they want to start WW3
I doubt they want to live in it....

yeah that pic of hitlary with her hand to her mouth really looked like the day she said she was shot at in the BALKANS

Hint: They said the same thing about Elvis and Michael Jackson.

A life........get one.

I feel skepitical too about his bin ladens death. the CIA trained him, mind you, back in the late 80's, to fight the russians invading them. Its also, as far as ive heard from others, him and Bush jr. were good freinds and buisness partners in the past. It was said, specualted on 9/11,, when the planes here were grounded, due too the towers falling, a plane or were allowed to leave over the atlantic, which thier isnt much info at all out their about that..allegeldly, bin laden or whoever maye have helped bring the towers down, was allowed to leave*
i find it hard to eblive its him, simply becuase the government has lied to us so muich, especially in the past 2 years now, things are getting better, when they helped and allowed, companys to lay off us here, and hire illegals, and outsource for strarters. then we read aall this info about derivitives( formulas to scam you outta yuor money on wallstreet), bailouts of the banks, which was basically stolen tax money were never ever gunna see again, u read the news, and have your own beleifs all...a pending crash coming.
they lied* and for allowing and hiring of illeglas, let alone engaging in illegal finacial scams, that wor illegla, goes to show who and what our govenment is up too witht hat word* so i dont trust them, and dont 100% entirley belive bin laden is dead. if they want the system to collpase here, perhaps into socialsim, why kill the man who took 2 key buildings down to fuel thier cause? think that would be a good question for rockefeller of henry kissinger

Originally posted by moogins

the U.S. says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and after the firefight that killed him.

How would they have his DNA "before" they killed him if they "never met" him prior to that?

How did they have samples on "file" to "confirm" his identity?

edit on 3-5-2011 by moogins because: (no reason given)

Several ways, the most obvious that he was killed perhaps as many as 10 years ago and they kept DNA from then.

However he was alleged to have had Kidney and other health problems so it's possible a sample could have been gotten through one of his doctors or a labratory that his doctors sent a sample too.

In theory as someone who was once a CIA paid part of the Mujahadeen effort against the Soviets back in the 80's they might have even obtained a personal item of some kind from him then that would have his DNA on it.

There are lots of way to get DNA from a person that don't require them being dead, touching them physically or them even knowing it, a glass you drank from, a hair folicle fallen from your body, a half eaten hamburger or wad of chewing gum will all yield DNA.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I believe he met his end in Tora Bora also in 2001, and that the actual body is irretrievable and burried under a mountain side collapsed on it.

They very well might have taken some DNA at the time though to 'game' tests now.

I wonder where Patreaus is concerned is if it's concern about him fully knowing the deception and talking to someone like the Rolling Stone Magazine again with details that they would like to get rid of before he takes the helm at Langley?

The only problem though with that line of thinking is why they would place him at Langley?

Unless he perhaps found out about it and has threatened to release details if they don't end the Charade?

I like the way you think proto
but you're looking at it from the opposite
angle. Look who is leaving. Gates !!!
There's the one that was gonna spill
the beans

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by moogins

the U.S. says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and after the firefight that killed him.

How would they have his DNA "before" they killed him if they "never met" him prior to that?
How did they have samples on "file" to "confirm" his identity?

they could have used DNA from his father
and his son to make that comparison.

When did they meet them?

reply to post by boondock-saint


They claim to have got the DNA from his sister, but it appers as usuall there is aproblem with this too

Monday, May 2, 2011Osamas sisters brain : The Boston connection
When Osama bin Laden was shot dead by Navy SEALs, US operatives had bin Laden family DNA samples ready to match against the corpse.

Where did those samples come from?

According to a report from ABC Channel 5, the DNA came from the body of Osama's sister, who died of cancer in Boston at Mass General and whose brain was then subpoenaed by the FBI for precisely this purpose.

We're not sure what goes into subpoenaing human remains, but we'll try to find out.

UPDATE: Sue McGreevey, Mass Gen spokeswoman, says she's received a lot of inquiries and hasn't been able to "turn up any evidence" within the hospital that a bin Laden sister was ever there, or that the FBI ever requested access to any human remains.

Meanwhile, at the FBI Boston field office, Special Agent Greg Comcowich tells us his agency isn't confirming or denying anything about this story.

While it's been reblogged a lot, ABC and its unnamed informant is the only source for this story so far. It looks like the Telegraph added the "subpoena" bit in its reblog; still not sure you can do that with body parts.

Stay tuned.

thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Hint: They said the same thing about Elvis and Michael Jackson.

A life........get one.

You mean we shouldn't use the US Government's motto "A life, take one!".

Habeas Corpus our most fundamental protection since the Magna Carta sure has fallen into neglect in recent years.

Translated from Latin it literally means PRODUCE THE BODY.

Have you got it?

I got a body
I bin Workinout


here is a read more for the above
thephoenix.com...

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I like the way you think proto
but you're looking at it from the opposite
angle. Look who is leaving. Gates !!!
There's the one that was gonna spill
the beans

Alright supposing this is true, what are Gate's motives?

He's been involved since the Bush years?

Partisan attack before the election? Money? He was kidnapped by aliens and the medical experiments actually gave him a conscious?

What's Gate's motive?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Of course not.

Far too much effort was put into hunting him.

With little to no payoff.

Robert Fisk: Was He Betrayed? Of Course. Pakistan Knew Bin Laden's Hiding Place All Along

Talk about anticlimactic.

It is like talking up sex with John Holmes Jr in a porno.

The man allegedly had a 14 inch private member.

Then we find out he really had a 2 inch member and has no stamina.

This is the same exact premise of the alleged death of Osama bin Laden.

Sort of like why we do not buy the Warren Commission or 9/11 Commission.

Too many unanswered questions.

Man : "Was it good for you sweetheart?"

Woman : "Is it over already?"

Man : "Do you want a cigarette?"

Woman : "I never climaxed."

Man : "Maybe next time darlin."

What a crying shame our Government forgot how to monopolize on propaganda.

So is Patreaus taking control of CIA his stepping stone to the position of POTUS? Is he going to be our Hitler for this country that is fast becoming Nazi Germany war machine? We already have our prisoners building bombs. We already have a propaganda machine that wraps the world twice( Sometimes I don't think they know there the ones who told something already.)We are at war wait where are we not at war? Our economy at this time seems to be nothing but bare essential and massive military. Crazy right?