Wag The Dog - Three reasons why the official OBL story stinks to high heaven, page 2
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reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 03:45 AM by bubbabuddha
On 911 I phoned my Grandfather about it and asked him what he thought was up and he sounded baffled....this was a man that flew Bombing runs over Germany in WW2 and he was baffled by what happened and he angrily said that we'd probably lose many of our freedoms as a result of the event, I knew then it was BS the story being sold and there was no way to really stop or prevent it from distorting what actually happened just by the sound of his voice, nobody can ever really breakthrough to people that are convinced by what the government projects out into the world, if one can make opinion fact then fact has no meaning, in that sense it encourages people to rush to "escape from freedom" as happened to the germans in the 1930's, anything to explain away the pain of the fantastical event that seems beyond imagination, for many people 911 was beyond their imaginations, for an artist it was a work of art, as Karlheinz Stockhausen had to retract from saying when people tore him to pieces for describing the event in that way, but his point was that it was manufactured by humans and humans do these kinds of things and it will not change and it happens cause we suffer and we have to project that to feel real, 911 was not beyond my imagination so I was not surprised and was more or less pissed, at myself and the rest of the world for letting this kind of behavior happen and for not preventing it from happening, but now I just think this just maybe who we all are, we are freaks, we lie to ourselves and each other, we kill and we try not to do these things but simply can't quit it, we have a drive for heirarchy, to establish the top dog position, the US wants top dog, Obama wants top dog status, they do these things to put the rest of us in our place, who did 911 or Osama seems almost irrelevant compared to where these events place the masses of us, where the vents take us makes the event, now we get to go to war some more? Celebrate murder? Whatever happened to maybe?

Some people seem so certain of what is or what the facts must be....we seem still to be living in a Aristotelian dualism kind of world where probabilities and relativities only exist in science labs while the rest of us live in the dark ages, not demanding scientific values of uncertainty, but in some sense we need it to be simple otherwise we become disabled and frozen in fear if we sense we can't understand something or some event so we accept simple explanations and appeal to authorities to absolve us of the demanding work of thinking, each overgeneralization and step down this path further compounds the probelms and passes them off to following generations.

My grandfather never would have accepted this, but he would have looked the other way if we were not 14 trillion in debt and being asked to give up our rights but in this situation I think he's rolling around in his grave full of anger trying to get out, maybe through me in some weird continuity, but he would not be happy to say the least of how much we have lost and how can it ever be retaken back....we are more or less living in this modernism as men among the ruins of WW2. Only our ruins maybe just getting started and who knows when the dust will settle and how many lives will be wasted this century and where will this take place....I sense a great danger as well but I try not to let paranoia have the better of me as well, prepare as much as you can and maybe it will get better, but I have my doubts and of course that streses me out and actually it does nobody any good but to ignore the events and accept them at what has been said as fact seems to create the most stress of all, cause it creates false optimism, which when destroyed creates more damage.
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reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 03:55 AM by HawkMan11
Originally posted by BlackOps719
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1. Wikipedia is not a legitimate source as proof for anything


2. It even says in your Wikipedia article that all attempts must first be made to give a proper Earth burial. Sea burials are rare and done typically only when one die's at sea.


1. Source?

2. It may be hard to see, but in the quote I made bold the point i had contention with. I haven't made any statements regarding the validity of Bin Laden's death.


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 04:07 AM by BlackOps719
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Your grandfather was a sharp man, he sensed what was over the horizon.

I would have never believed back in 1998 that the world would be what it is today. I shudder to think what it will be like when I am old and gray, if i ever get there.


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 04:42 AM by bubbabuddha
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I only found two links for the Pakistan story but it might be blocked or censored at the moment which explains all the hype about the seals stuff.....i put some links here


CHINESE NEWS AGENCY: Pakistan Killed Osama, The US Just Swooped In At The End

Bin Laden killing was "joint U.S.-Pakistani operation" - Yahoo! News

Bin Laden hideout location 'raises questions' - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com

Already-Written Book About Navy Seals That Killed Osama Bin Laden Suddenly Hot - The Hollywood Reporter

Activist Post: Beyond the Bin Laden Stunt; The Dire Implications of This Latest Surreal Ploy

Musharraf: Bin Laden mission violated Pakistan - Washington Times

Osama Bin Laden Triggers Security Alert, Recall Marine Bio/Chem Unit - ABC News They pull the bioweapons unit out of japan....

wikileaks osama bin laden pakistan

In wake of bin Laden death, sports once again plays important role - - Sporting News



Meanwhile underneath this deluge of Osama stories we hear.....

Ja pan To Release Censored Fukushima Nuclear Radiation Forecasts | Alexander Higgins Blog

The Plan to Raise Taxes by $7 Trillion - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic

New FBI Documents Provide Details on Government’s Surveillance Spyware | Electronic Frontier Foundation

Iranian state TV carries report of Israeli build-up - Yahoo! News

How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis - By Frederick Kaufman | Foreign Policy

Geithner Pries Away $30 Trillion ForEx Derivative Market from Regulation | FDL News Desk

Debt ceiling window extended to Aug. 2 - May. 2, 2011

Failing to Raise U.S. Debt Ceiling Would Be ‘Most Asinine,’ Buffett Says


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 09:21 AM by Illusionsaregrander
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Could you elaborate what it was? Im not being sassy, I just do not always get the same thing from articles that other people do.

For instance, in those two articles, the point I get is that there is no comment on burial at sea.

And even in the Wikipedia article, it says,

en.wikipedia.org...

If the death occurs at sea, and there is a fear of the decay of the body....


IF, AND. Two conditions for burial at sea, neither of which apply to Osama.

Edit to add,


And I do agree that generally speaking, Wikipedia is a good source. It gets a little dodgy, however, when it comes to propaganda. Why? Because anyone can edit it, at any time. So, as an example, if the propagandists wanted to disappear a fact, or alter a fact, its much easier on Wikipedia than it would be in a book which has thousands of copies in print. Sure, it might eventually find its way back into the article, but if you can keep it out for the couple weeks when a lot of people would want that fact, (ie right after a big event) they may never realize they should go look again later. They will just memorize what they see.

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reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 11:44 AM by aboutface
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Yeah, I agree, the OSL myth has been going on far too long. For if he were alive and indeed had to have dialysis, that itself would provide an easy tracking method. Dialysis machines have to be serviced every now and then, certain medications have to be bought, filters, etc. Blood levels have to be brought to labs on a regular basis. To live ten years on dialysis is plenty difficult for those who do, but to be on the run and be undetectable, etc, nah.

My question mark about the whole story is this. Since I've never been in the armed forces, I just presume (so correct me here if need be) that the army does the tank and land things while the seals do the water related things. So I wondered why would not an army elite team do this, if it were true? Why seals? And the only answer I came come up with is that if the Army did it, then what to do with the body? So, bring in the navy in order to conjure up a burial at sea story.


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 12:46 PM by princeguy
reply to post by BlackOps719



Great Thread and I totally agree, something stinks! S&F


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 01:06 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by lpowell0627



I wish someone would write this story as if it were a fairy tale,

"Once upon a time, there was an evil terrorist leader. And he was hiding in a mansion in Pakistan. Last week, errr earlier today, 3, err, 4 helicopters of Navy Seals crashed into the house and was engaged in a vicious firefight in which Osama grabbed his wife to use as a human shield, errrr it was some other woman, and the wife was killed, err shot in the calf. Obama came at the Navy Seals with his human shield and guns blazing..err did not return fire.......errr might have reached for a gun. And the brave Nave Seals shot him in the head. The end. (hours pass) Oh, yeah, and the body is on its way out to sea..............err wait, we dumped it before we told you. "

Etc., etc.


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 01:08 PM by lambros56
reply to post by BlackOps719



I agree with all of your issues.
Anyone who believes a single word this corrupt government utters have got to be crazy.
I think they`re trying to frame Pakistan.

I think most people who haven`t been taken in by what the US government do will totally agree with your thoughts.


reply posted on 3-5-2011 @ 01:42 PM by burntheships
reply to post by BlackOps719




Very good and succint OP. Thank you!

Just one thought to add, I can not help but notice the timing.

I think about the Middle East revolutions, staged as they are, and find my self
thinking there is a huge connection....they say timing is everything.

It was time for Bin Laden to exit - stage right.
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