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Harper wins majority; Ignatieff, Duceppe lose seats

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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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You seem to be a good reflection of the conservative party ideology.... aggressive, insulting and mostly concerned with money.

All in all, this campaign saddened me very much. The conservatives ran a very negative campaign. trying to make every other party look bad. The liberal party got demolished, that's a part of canadian history dying right there. The NDP managed to get in so many candidates that are, IMO, way too inexperienced to be politicians. I mean come on, look up Alexandrine Latendresse, she's still studying for a bachelor's degree in linguistics! And the Bloc Quebecois got absolutely crushed. I actually shed a tear after Duceppe's speech, it's sad to see a man's dreams being crushed so violently.

Worst of all, a majority for Harper, what does this mean for Canada? I have a feeling things will be quite different from now on. Hopefully, Jack Layton will manage to get his team in gear and oppose vigorously Harper's moves in favor of the MIC and the big corporations.

For the first time tonight, I had a discussion with my girlfriend on what country we should move to if things start going too crazy for us in Canada.

A sad day for me...
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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I am well aware of this. I could be wrong, but I don't recall Harper even trying to overhaul telecommunications.

With your enthusiasm, I now expect Harper to start hammering legislation through immediately. I know this will not happen though.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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~sigh~ what's the point people?
The system is broke, we know it.
Government IS the system, we know it.
The government we vote for is corrupt, we know it.
Most people I talked to who didn't vote are angry over the whole floor-crossing thing, we know it..
Not so many years ago, treason was punishable by death, today they get to run the country AGAIN.

Will we take a cue from the middle east over their election issues? I don't think so, because we're Canadians and we have surveyed, as a result we have been labeled the happiest, friendliest, most placid people in the world.

And the sad thing is, we know it, eh?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:38 AM
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Elizabeth May is most certainly not a sellout. They wouldn't let her participate in debates or give her any media coverage. Listen to what she said when she got her seat(the first ever green party seat). She is the only member of parliament we have that actually cares about the Canadian people



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Wow, another one who doesn't understand the Canadian parlimentary system. When a goverment doesn't hold a majority, the way the Harper goverment hasn't for the last several years, they are UNABLE to pass bills and make laws becasue they lack the VOTES needed for those bills to pass into law... Therefore things like reforming the long gun registry can't be passed into law becasue of the lack of votes... Is that easy enough to understand?


I assume you know that they purposely introduce bills too, to appease their constituents, knowing full well that they will be taken down by the opposition.

Now that Harper has a majority in the Commons and the Senate, he is responsible for everything he does. Lets see your breakdown of his government a year from now....



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
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Wow, another one who doesn't understand the Canadian parlimentary system. When a goverment doesn't hold a majority, the way the Harper goverment hasn't for the last several years, they are UNABLE to pass bills and make laws becasue they lack the VOTES needed for those bills to pass into law... Therefore things like reforming the long gun registry can't be passed into law becasue of the lack of votes... Is that easy enough to understand?


I assume you know that they purposely introduce bills too, to appease their constituents, knowing full well that they will be taken down by the opposition.

Now that Harper has a majority in the Commons and the Senate, he is responsible for everything he does. Lets see your breakdown of his government a year from now....



Are you going to start about the North American Union again



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Canadianpride420
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Elizabeth May is most certainly not a sellout. They wouldn't let her participate in debates or give her any media coverage. Listen to what she said when she got her seat(the first ever green party seat). She is the only member of parliament we have that actually cares about the Canadian people


Yep, even if I don't agree with a lot of Elizabeth May policies (I think they are not realistic), I still think she's an honest person and trying to help things. So I say kudos to her.

Also Jack Layton, for now, I don't think he's a sellout, even if I disagree with his policies.

But Harper and Ignatieff is like Bush/Gore or Obama/McCain, both sellouts.

Hopefully Jocko Flocko will admit he was fooled by Harper once Harper does what his masters tell him to do, just like Obamabots woke up after Obama did what he was ordered to do.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Enjoy the north american union then, since you voted for Harper, where are the jobs mate eh?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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I don't know about many of you, but change doesn't happen overnight. Yeah, it really sucks that Harper got his majority and we can only hope we will survive until next election, but we really have to pat ourselves on the back.

that NDP surge? That was the new generation coming up. We rallied. We rallied on facebook, we rallied on reddit and twitter. We rallied and we gained a hell of a lot of momentum. Yeah, NDP might be inexperienced, but we gave them a chance to prove themselves in the ring. The vote to me signified that we CAN make change. A historic day where we all made our voices heard.

And it blew my mind to see Quebec stand up and act as Canadians! They took a chance and said, "OK Canada, we'll vote NDP. Just get these damn Tories outta office". They decimated their own party. Much praise should be handed out tomorrow and keep the momentum going. We can always revolt if we really don't like it



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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Two important notes:

NDP just gained a lot of influence on a federal level.

Green Party actually got a seat. Now this means Elizabeth May cannot be barred from more federal debates for leading a "fringe" party.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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Good Things about election:
1. Stable Government.
Hey- with a majority government, maybe some things will actually get done and bills will pass without any ridiculous hinges or silly political bull-fights.
2. History
Last time the Conservatives won a majority, 4 years later they lost the election, winning only 2 seats. With a majority, the sheeple of Canada will wake up to the true nature of the right-wing-conservative beast
3. NDP opposition
It's about time the left got a chance to be in some kind of symbolic position. Shows all of Canada that the NDP is a serious party- not some fringe-left movement that could never win
4. Bloc Quebecois decimated
Quebec finally realized the Bloc is a dead-end. Took them long enough.
5. Liberals decimated
Sends a clear message to the Liberals that they need to completely overhaul and re-make their broken party.
6. Possible left-unification
The Progessives and the Alliance united to form the single, right wing conservative part. The right vote united, the left vote remained divided. The fact remains- although the conservatives won a majority, less than 40% of Canada voted for them. If there was only 1 left-wing party, they would form the overwhelming majority.

Bad Things about election:
1. Stephen Harper is given unlimited power, and will most likely destroy Canada.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
Election 2011 Live Results

Canada:

CON..... 40% - 166
NDP..... 31% - 103
LIB....... 19% - 34
BQ....... 06% - 4
GRN..... 04% - 1

Alberta:

CON..... 67% - 27
NDP..... 17% - 1

British Columbia:

CON..... 46% - 21
NDP..... 33% - 12
LIB....... 13% - 2
GRN..... 8% - 1

Manitoba:

CON..... 53% - 11
NDP..... 26% - 2
LIB....... 17% - 1

Newfoundland and Labrador:

LIB....... 38% - 4
NDP..... 33% - 2
CON..... 28% - 1

New Brunswick:

CON..... 44% - 8
NDP..... 30% - 1
LIB....... 23% - 1

Northwest Territories:

NDP..... 46% - 1

Nova Scotia:

CON..... 37% - 4
NDP..... 30% - 3
LIB....... 29% - 4

Nunavut:

CON..... 50% - 1

Ontario:

CON..... 44% - 72
NDP..... 26% - 22
LIB....... 25% - 12

Prince Edward Island:

LIB....... 41% - 3
CON..... 41% - 1

Quebec:

NDP..... 43% - 58
BQ....... 23% - 4
CON..... 17% - 6
LIB....... 14% - 7

Saskatchewan:

CON..... 56% - 13
LIB....... 9% - 1

Yukon:

CON..... 34% - 1


It seems the Providences hardest hit by feminist jurisprudence swung conservative...



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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Vitchilo, it will be quite boring responding to your innacurate and false statements, however I will do so only because allowing piles of manure to mount up only further distorts facts.



Doesn't matter how it works. Harper and his party pushes those issues.


Don't try and deflect the issue. It's all about how it works, thats how our system is run and is why a minority government often ends in nothing getting done by any party unless agreements are hammered out. None of the parties ever agreed on any of the tough issues, and nothing ever was acomplished.




The NPD was against UBB, the Libs too, but apparently the conservatives never got around to kill UBB... even if they had all the others parties with them...


Incorrect. The matter has been put over until the CRTC is given the chance to review it's ruling, then an election was called postponing the issue. Never at any time did the Liberals or the NDP step forward to try and resolve the issue with the Conservatives, it was Tony Clement who TOLD the CRTC that if the ruling was not reviewed and changed/reveresed, the government would step in and reverse it for them, this was actually an election issue for the Conservatives. You are likely not see any headway on the issue until parliment resumes session. Do some research and you will find that the Liberal Party of Canada had/has major interests in Bell Canada and some areas of Rogers communications and that it never has been in thier best interest to try and create a competitive marketplace in Canada. There has been for many years to many ties between the Liberals, the CRTC and Bell Canada. Such government ties has led to none open markets in the telecom industry and the television indusrty.



Harper is for it, Libs are for it.


Most sane individuals with half a brain would be for any 'war' where the likes of the taliban and thier ideologies are sought out and destroyed. Ask any women in afghanistan if they appreciate what Canada is doing for thier country and I bet the answer would be yes. However, the likes of the NDP and Jack Layton love to preach freedom and human rights for everyone everywhere quite loudly. But when those same people are asked to fight for such freedoms for others around the world they would rather turn and look the other way. Typical.




He backed down when he was ``going to do it``.


Again, you are incorrect. You should check your facts before making none factual statements. Mr. Harper and the Conservatives were unable to get rid of the pathetic Liberal party's long gun registry as they did not have the votes to do so. The Bloc joined sides with the NDP and the Liberals and blocked the bill that would put an end to Canadians like myself having to register thier little .22 rifles they use to shoot pop cans at the cottage on weekends. More Liberal Party waste that will hopefully and finally be put to bed.




While he was in office, he pushed for it. Granted the Libs did it too, but he still went for it. He wasn't against it.


The problem lies with not being for or against it, but the fact that the US and Canada's economies are very closely tied with each other. If Canada was to not be a part of such open and free markets they would be left in the wind and our economy would suffer severely. I am not completely for such unrestricted markets like the NAU, however the key to a prosperous nation lies within it's ability to compete with it's closest competitiors and for us thats the U.S. It has it's pro's and it's cons.



So don't try this ``he didn't have the power to do things``... because doesn't matter he didn't have the power to do it, he still pushed for all those bad things.


Again, I really don't think you understand or grasp the concepts behind our parlimentary system, please try and research how it works, it will make understanding the Canadian system so much easier.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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It's clear what needs to be done. The vote splitting gave the Conservatives the majority they were after. The NDP and Liberals must form one party and unite the left; take a page out of Preston Manning's book. Call it the Liberal Democrats or something like that. The Green Party can replace the former NDP and take up third party status. Everything will be back to normal.

If they don't, I think there will be Conservative majorities for a while. We can sit back and watch them sell out to corporate interests and the military industrial complex. Pamela Wallin seemed pretty happy when she said that now that Stephen Harper was unshackled, he can now push through his agenda unopposed. Oh joy.


Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
NDP just gained a lot of influence on a federal level.


I don't agree. He won a lot more seats but he had more power before the election. Yes, the NDP is the Official Opposition but he has no power to stop anything that Harper wants to do. Five weeks ago he did.
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:56 AM
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You guys are over reacting a bit when it comes the NA unions and Harper having unlimited power.

That said I really hope the PCs remember the whole progressive thing.

Best news was obviously that separatists bastard getting his ass handed to him by Jack.

People say here come the NA unions should remember a ton of Ignatieffs' fail here was from his talks with the separatist #tard on joining a 3 headed Left /Separatists coalition. Canadians were not to happy to have the Bloc to have any say over any important issues .. for obvious reasons ... See Gilles Duceppe.

I voted Green and I will again till the Liberals and NDP get there #ing this together.
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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The right honourable Stephen Harper will show his true colours in due course much to my chagrin. I strongly suspect a completely new budget to be drafted and tabled before parliament next week that rewards the conservative loyalists and is crushingly punative to still liberal areas ie; Ontario and Quebec with liberal premiers.

Then in short order sell off much off our natural resources, water, oil, minerals, crops, and trees to mega corporations in confidential deals that we will find out about when we try to challenge the legitamacy of them in court because of exceedingly obscene profits being generated in those sectors and only meager tax revenue or damaging enviromental policies come to the light of day. True to capitalist form the contracts will have clauses that do not hold the mega corporations to any liability and we as taxpayers will end up footing the bill for any clean up or class action suits against the government.

The globalists have smarter people than we do and much better lawyers on the payroll. Mulrooney sold out to them when he had a majority government and the econonomic engine of Canada was destroyed, dismantled and shipped to China. Much of the same could be said about the Arrow however that was a bit before my time and it is still shrouded in much obfuscation.

Think I'll move to Quebec where there seems to be a modicum of sense left in this country. It's really beautiful there except devastatingly cold in the winter.

Enjoy privatized everything, transit, healthcare, banking, water, hydro, garbage disposal, toll roads and all the fees to basicly do everything just like the Americans have. Then watch as the rich wall themselves off and hire private security forces to keep undesirables out and the central cores of most cities becomes slums and ghettos because only the rich can afford to buy the real estate but would never live there because of high taxes so they turn everything into affordable housing using our tax dollars and having the rent subsidized with tax dollars all while gleaning tax breaks for being such philanthropists.

Just remember who voted for this. We may end up with less taxes but the cost is going to be bitter. As usual we have been outsmarted by the globalists by taking advantage of our myopia. Kind of a rant but I honestly considered moving to Norway, Finland or Sweden this morning. Countries with much higher standards of living than ours yet not afraid to be called socialist. Anyone that thinks the US should be the standard that we hold ourselves to should really take a good look around the world.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Well, one day after the election the Conservatives are talking about selling off Canada's telecom industry to foreign interests.

Yay.

Hello, Conservative majority. Bye bye jobs.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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Do you have a link to this 'story', or is it just more conjecture like the majority of the posts in this thread? About 90% of what I have read so far has been speculative unsupported opinion, rather than factual based information regarding the Conservative party and it's platform. I'm interested in this telecom story because if it's true that the government is finally getting out of the telecom buisness it's about damn time, the government has NO buisness competing agaisnt it's own citizens in a free and open market society. Hopefully next on the chopping block will be the CBC and it's 1.2 billion dollar a year of worthless biased programming.

You speak of the so called loss of jobs? The governemnt removing itself from the industry and opening the market will invite more internal and overseas investment from places like europe; Virgin for example currently have their hands tied because of the current market limitations. Smaller companies like Canadian owned and operated TekkSavvy will be able to finally grow and expand without the limitations imposed by goverment regulators and red tape. As more and more buisness become confident in the market, the more jobs that are created. In effect this drives down prices as Canadians right now pay some of the highest prices in the world for wireless services and broadband internent.
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Everything you say is 'facts' while anything said against the Conservatives is 'conjecture' and 'unsupported.' You're welcome to your own opinion, sir. But, please, the election is over. You can stop the campaigning now.

I heard the story on my local news radio station. I'm sure you'll be able to find it. I know a lot of Conservatives like the idea of allowing foreign companies to come into Canada and take over industries. I don't, but I guess we have an ideological disagreement.

I know that in my community there has been about a dozen factories close down in the last 6 years, mostly on Harper's watch. Now that he has a majority and pretty much a free reign, I expect more jobs to leave the country. Sure, we will ultra-cheap goods to buy. But, they need to be cheap because most people will only be making 10 bucks an hour.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Everything you say is 'facts' while anything said against the Conservatives is 'conjecture' and 'unsupported.'


Anything that I have said so far regarding the Conservative party, it's platform and it's dealings in the past within the house of commons is factual, not just some opinion I pulled out of my hat. Running around stating basless doom and gloom one liners such as "the conservatives will destroy Canada" is not factual and is merely ignorant uneducated opinion. It's an especially ignorant opinion when one makes such statements without providing evidence or further infomation supporting such wild and unfounded claims.

It's like me saying that the NDP will destroy canada becasue it is now the official opposition party and that Jack Layton is a horrible leader because I said so and that's that. Unfactual conjecture.
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