Conservative Majority in Canada

Originally posted by bronco73
This was the powers that be running the union taking funds garnered union dues and donating them to a left wing party that they know are sympathetic to their cause. It's also in my opinion quite evident that they did not poll their members to see if they were even ok with it.

Why is it 'quite evident' in your opinion?Why would Union members not want to support pro-Union political parties?

I mean, the point of a Union is to gain power collectively that they wouldnt have individually.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by bronco73

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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Some fair points. Thanks for chiming in. I still disagree, though. All of those things can still be shown to correlate with the GOP in the states. For example, they also traditionally increase deficit spending.

If you read the Conservative platform fully and without bias, it is pretty easy to come to the conclusion that they are considerably left of the Republicans, and of course it's my opinion that they are even left of the Democrats. The beauty of politics, once an opinion is formed it is incredibly difficult to change ones mind. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Tell you what, would you be willing to compare and contrast for me, comparing the Harper Admin with the Bush Admin?

I appreciate you walking me through this.

For all information provided, feel free to visit the following official party sites to verify my claims:
www.conservative.ca...
www.democrats.org...
www.gop.com...

HEALTH:
Conservatives: pro public health care
Democrats: pro public health care
Republicans: anti public health care
"We oppose government run health care" www.gop.com...

EDUCATION:
Conservatives: invested billions in education grants, subsidies, and skills training
Democrats: Obama signed into law student loan reform and dramatically expanded college financial aid
Republicans: No mention whatsoever about financial aid for students or training on their website

JOB CREATION:
Conservatives: work-share prgm, invested in employee skill upgrades training, hiring credits
Democrats: small bus. tax breaks, manufacturing enhancement act, recovery act
Republicans: "we oppose interventionist policies that put the federal government in control of industry and allow it to pick winners and losers in the marketplace"

IMMIGRATION:
Conservatives: seeks to change the immigration act to better accomodate honest immigrants and discourage dishonest ones and smugglers
Democrats: "support comprehensive reform grounded in the principles of responsibility and accountability"
Republicans: No mention of immigration reform on their website

There are so many examples of left of center policy in the Conservative platform (DIRECT QUOTES FROM CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM):
extend support for the Canada Youth Business Foundation
enhance the Canada Student Loans Program for part-timestudents
Targeted Initiative for Older Workers
increased investments in the Canada Graduate Scholarships Program
extend support for the Canada Youth Business Foundation
substantial new investments in research and development through Canada’s research granting councils
HST
invested $400 million in better housing for low-income seniors

From health to education, from employment to low income support, the Conservatives according to their party platform are governing from the center, or even to the left of it. Visit the three sites mentioned above (Conservatives, republicans, democrats) and scrutinize the policy and issues that they all address. It's pretty tough to not come to the conclusion that the Democrats and Conservatives are far more alike than the Republicans and Conservatives.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by bronco73
This was the powers that be running the union taking funds garnered union dues and donating them to a left wing party that they know are sympathetic to their cause. It's also in my opinion quite evident that they did not poll their members to see if they were even ok with it.

Why is it 'quite evident' in your opinion?Why would Union members not want to support pro-Union political parties?

I mean, the point of a Union is to gain power collectively that they wouldnt have individually.

edit on 16-5-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)

I didn't say they would not. I said the biggest donations come from the organization and not individual members (at least that was my intention). And I suspect that there would be a good number of union members that take exception to the fact that their union dues are used for non-union purposes

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That seems a fair and reasonable point. Star for you!
You're going to have to give me a few days on reviewing the previous post of yours. But star for that, too!

Thanks for all the info.

Dear OP:

Not to lump, but I think it's rather obvious that Quebecers love their close-knit French culture. Jack Layton brought his campaign to Youtube and Facebook and it tracked IPs in major locations to provide a French political ad rather than English, and I really think they just eat that kind of stuff up; it plays with their loyalties when they are considerate of MODERN language barriers like that.

That being said, and it may be rather obvious by now if not only by my username, but I definitely voted Orange and I am not French at all . The NDP did extremely well in many parts of the country this election because of the social media swoop, or "The Obama Effect". The "internet generation" or "generation X" just got voting rights and it's hard to notice how much the cute little democratic bi-dictatorship screws us whilst taking our low-income cash when you have access to this information so readily all of the time via outlets like Twitter and Facebook. The older generation has more or less "accepted their fate" when it comes to politics, and the NDP attacked this from a completely different angle. He was talking about changing things that we currently don't like at all, and adding support systems where we actually need them. The last thing I heard Harper or Ignatieff talk about other than slandering someone else in his election campaign was trying to get on board with an independant drug corporation that is currently and, very literally, murdering 'socialist' Europe.

I didn't find Jack as caught up in the political slander and stone-throwing as the other two--and I say two because... well... who knew the Bloc and Green were in this election besides Vancouver Island. Jack had these things called "platforms" and he told me what they were; it's almost like we all payed him, and he's actually planning on doing something. I have also PERSONALLY expressed concern about things via Twitter and heard LAYTON HIMSELF bring them up in the HOC (and of course this was BEFORE they were the official opposition). This guy isn't playing the same bratty little "game" as the other two and it's clearly gained him some well-deserved respect in this election. He is the only one that makes me feel like there is a reason I have to listen to them go on with their tripe every YEAR AND A HALF. Seriously, who wrote this ridiculously expensive process? Oh right, a bunch of settlers who didn't know the value of money, advertising, and political ego... sure wish someone on the panel was saying that they are willing to CHANGE things.

I also want to point out how it looks to me like the Liberals kind of shot themselves in the foot over time and created a respectable bubble in the generation gap. Primary School cirriculum funding went through the roof because of the Libs during the time that the "internet generation" was there and as a result they learned a lot more about historical political endeavors, social studies, and even economics in more urban areas than "generation Y" or the baby boomers ever did that early. I strongly believe that with enough unbiased political education, it's really hard to vere anywhere but toward democratic pseudo-socialism at this point, and that is difficult to argue with, even regardless of how the leaders currently claiming to practice it are royally screwing practices of 'socialism' up at current.

Originally posted by connorromanow

i have looked into the harper builderberg connection.

i found he only attended once(according to jim tuckers list) he has not been there since.
so that means one of three things.
1. they told hime everything he needed to do
2.they give him instructioins via online
3. he didnt like it and has not attended since, or they didnt like him and stoped inviting him

i hope its the last one, but its proabaly one of the first two

Careful, now. They'll will have your head for not wanting to attach our economy to the only well established currency that is not backed by gold and inherently worthless and still on the decline regardless of its bounceback from the reccession.

Really, though, I'm not so sure about Harper's stance on the concatenation of the Dollar, I think too many Canadians are aware of that issue and don't want to get dragged down with the sinking ship, but he certainly supports corporate-political ties and various sports car and garage manufacturers more than he supports me. I hope all the righters vote NDP next election; that split vote murdered us, and Canada needed a "Harper Ideals" government like we needed Americans at Vimy Ridge...or on any 'American' hockey team for that matter

It's pretty tough to not come to the conclusion that the Democrats and Conservatives are far more alike than the Republicans and Conservatives.

There is truth to that, but let's be honest... in the past 8 years, how well have either of these two helped the citizens? Now, how much have they helped insurance companies turn ridiculous profits? How many times did Harper try to push a Bill that would allow foreign companies to write laws in our country? How many times did we pay the elected officials to continually tell him that we HATE THIS BILL, no matter how many names you put on it (I believe it was C-6, and then C-27, and then another, someone chime in if I'm wrong).

It may be hard to argue the relations between the American democratic party and the conservative party, but both of those bafoons are still just fascist puppets as far as I can see, and that's an even harder statemenet to argue.