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You're getting responses confused. There are many, here in this very forum, who have advocated the use of lethal force on police officers.
As they binge-drink, burn stop-signs, and yell "# the police!"
Honor student material, right there.
Crowds react completely unpredictably. There is no way of really assessing the danger other than raw numbers. The police are vastly out-numbered. The vast majority of the citizenry decided not to be obstructive to the officers, or violent.
And you are somehow more capable?
Screw-ups get people killed. A police force out on the street full of openings and poor coordination is more open to attack and likely to receive an attack - which will rapidly lead to further escalation.
Being well trained and coordinated leads to fewer incidents on the whole.
You can leave your tin-foil cap on, but look up from your milk-carton anagrams for long enough to follow real-world logic.
Cross-department training doesn't need to be held in "live fire" situations. It's better to train ad-nausiem with 'simulated' drills than it is to participate in one live deployment prematurely.
Formation movements are worked out in fields or parking lots (or gymnasiums) - these should be drilled to instinct. In my opinion - this deployed force was not ready to be deployed against so much as a bunch of grannies at a tea-party rally.
Deploying for the sake of training is a completely retarded idea. Nothing these guys needed to learn could not have come from standard drilling.
And how do you know this wasn't being done? Being plain-clothed and all?
However - there are many sides to law enforcement. This was primarily a response to the interference with EMS and the destruction of property - which is well outside the scope of plain-clothes officers and - when the crowd refuses to disperse by request - outside the realm of standard police.
Possibly - and, again - I prefer this approach, myself. However - it doesn't change the way the department responded to the issues.
They could have sent those officers in, armed to the teeth. I wasn't paying attention when watching the videos - but the riot-police's 'hardest' armament was a side-arm, if they had one at all
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Man up already, these are a bunch of kids, not the SAS.
And if these young adults would have manned up, they would have left when asked to do so instead of drinking from a bottle with one hand and extending the middle finger on the other.
The police did not entice, coerce or cause the students to react the way they did.
The students became drunk and in this inebriated state made some bad choices.
If we get caught speeding, do we argue with the police or pay the fine?
Do we ask that the officer pull over another 12 cars so we can be found guilty by our peers?
No, we know we broke the law and it was our choice to speed that resulted in the ticket.
Likewise, these students (not kids) knew full well the extent of their actions.
They knew that the choices they were making would not make for a happy ending.
They could have dispersed, but they chose not to.
They became defiant.
They chose to engage in violent & destructive behavior.
It does not matter the amount of damage as these situations have a way of getting out of hand very quickly if not dealt with swiftly.
The fact that nobody was seriously injured is a testament to the restraint the police showed.
The problem with these types of gatherings is their proximity to public property and how the actions of these students threatened to violate the rights of those in those areas who wished no part of this.
Had the university opened an area on campus where these students could act like buffoons, then no harm no foul.
I suspect that is why the students selected this area.
I can not nor will I buy into the point of view that absolves these students as mere kids who were having some harmless fun and the big, bad police showed up, took their ball and told them to go home.
I am all for having a good time, but do it in a way that is respectful to persons and property.
Had they done this, then this thread wouldn't exist.
Finally, no human being (even police officers) are perfect. Sometimes they make lousy choices and carry the weight of their duty too far. Make no mistake, I do not honor these individuals.
If you folks want to continue bashing all police officers and taking the position that these students did nothing wrong, broke no laws and were just having a good time, then go ahead and star each other all you want.
I apologize if i missed something, i've yet to read the entire thread. What i'm wondering is, how is setting fires, throwing bottles, ripping traffic signs out of the ground, being drunk in public, making a huge mess and throwing things at the police acceptable?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
common law and the corporate codes, .
The city of Macomb denied a block party permit submitted by Wheeler street party organizers, so the event was not authorized by the city. Barker says residents along that portion of Wheeler Street, as well as the organizers of the party, got warnings before the event, asking them to keep the party under control. There will be more citations handed out later this week.