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Chemtrail Hell...May 1st 2011...Part 1&2..Debunkers Move Along...

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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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"One of the researchers, the physicist from Brookhaven, explained how the process works: The chemical and electrical characteristics of the mixture cause moisture to stay in the clouds. The aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environmental that supports RF ducting for the RFMP/VTRPE warfare system."The mixture of barium salt from the aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path form point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the Earth, in both directions," he said. "Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium.""

www.rense.com...




posted on May, 4 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Version100

No one ever claimed the patent was classified, the capabilities of the system
are classified and thus the information in the patent pertaining to those
classified capabilities is not available.

There are 15 pages available online for the main patent #4,686,605...
The patent is 65 pages long, if not classified/redacted where are those pages ?



What makes you think the patent is 65 pages long?



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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reply to post by User8911
 

Right, an unnamed "physicist from Brookhaven". In a Rense article. That's credible.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by Version100

No one ever claimed the patent was classified, the capabilities of the system
are classified and thus the information in the patent pertaining to those
classified capabilities is not available.

There are 15 pages available online for the main patent #4,686,605...
The patent is 65 pages long, if not classified/redacted where are those pages ?



What makes you think the patent is 65 pages long?


I was incorrect, the patent is 16 pages.
My mistake.

APT stipulated that 3-4 pages of material be removed prior
to patent submission.

Thus, I have no leg to stand on in the public record.

In the immortal words of Emily Littella: "Never mind".



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Hey, what do people think of this video that shows documentation from the Army Research Laboratory stating that Nuclear fallout and Chem-trails make the perfect ionespheric environment for projecting holograms onto the sky? Gives some credence to Project Blue Beam conspiracy theories, doesn't it (if documentation valid)? What does everybody think? Video posted here:

thetruthabout1111awakeningcode.blogspot.com...



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Andelise
Hey, what do people think of this video that shows documentation from the Army Research Laboratory stating that Nuclear fallout and Chem-trails make the perfect ionespheric environment for projecting holograms onto the sky? Gives some credence to Project Blue Beam conspiracy theories, doesn't it (if documentation valid)? What does everybody think? Video posted here:

thetruthabout1111awakeningcode.blogspot.com...


Much of what the fellow says in the video is wrong.

The portion of the document that refers to the hologram persisting for "hours" and "days"
refers to the storage medium, Strontium-Barium-Niobate crystals grown in a laboratory,
retaining the data.

The material mentioned in the document is nothing like fallout from Fukashima.

"SrxBa(1-x)Nb2O6 is a crystalline solid used as a semiconductor and in photo optic
applications."

Addendum: the feasibility of projected holograms is not in doubt but Fukashima fallout
having any relation to a projected hologram is nonsense.

edit on 4-5-2011 by Version100 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by User8911

Some of you seem like disinfo agents and Aloysius the Gaul, why did you complained to have one my previous post flagged has "off topic".


I didn't.



I was saying you are disinfo.


Based upon me thinking chemtrails are nonsense because there's no evidence for them and a wealth of evidence saying they don't exist?

Yeah that just about sums up the chemtrail fantasy - if you can''t discuss facts then indulge in character assasination.

In fact it is het chemtrail believers who are the "disinfo agents" - spreading baseless speculation as if it had a sxkettick of truth in it.

You people arent' intersted in the truth or facts - jsut stoking your little fantasy.


I can't be more right on topic.


well whoever did complain disagreed, and so did a mod -which shows that you don't actually think about evidence at all - you've got this picture in your head, and you simply disregard anything that conflicts with it, regardless of reality.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by gmac10001
if we are wrong no harm done but if you are wrong we are all in trouble.

No harm done? What you're doing is called fear-mongering.

"ZOMGZZ they're spraying everywhere and slowly killing us with the chemicals. AHHHHH!!!!"


There is zero verifiable and repeatable scientific evidence to support the "chemtrail" disinformation. Without evidence, the only thing chemtrailers are doing is knowingly spreading fear with nothing to support their claims.

You wanna know who else spreads fear?

TERRORISTS!!!



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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lol...

but seriously - I agree - somewhere, some time, a deluded individual is probably going to they to "take action" to "stop" the chemtrails....and they'll probably have a gun and be in the USA, and someone will be hurt or killed.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I like to have the best understanding possible! Ande



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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P.S. - If you have time, can you scan this report and tell me / us what you think? Thanks, Ande

www.dtic.mil...



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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This is going to be off topic, and maybe it is something that I need to bring to the attention of the mods unstead of posting here, but....

This thread specifically asked for debunkers to leave it be. When threads on any other subject ask for that, it is enforced. Heck, there was a HUGE debate with site management over the exact same type of thing in the Secret Societies forum. Yet the debunkers are allowed to flood this thread all they want.

It seems quite fishy to me....



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Hey, has anyone seen this entire document from the Army Research Laboratory entitled: "3-D HOlographic Display Using Strontium Barium Niobate"?

I just found it, below. Fascinating! Because I believe that Chem-Trails and Nuclear Fallout can make those chemicals, or whatever they're called...Check it out. Anyone understand the science here?

thetruthabout1111awakeningcode.blogspot.com...



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Yes.

The paper is about using a particular crystal to store a holographic image. It's not really any different from other holography techniques except that no processing (developing) of the holographic plate (the crystal) is required.

Like all holograms, the image can only be viewed through an imaging lens, as shown in figure 2. If you are not looking though the lens, you will see nothing. If the split laser beam is not perfectly aligned, you will see nothing.


edit on 5/5/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

This thread specifically asked for debunkers to leave it be. When threads on any other subject ask for that, it is enforced.


ther's been 2 efforts to censor replies on here that I know of - including this thread.

In bot hcases moderators have said quite specifically that you cannot do so.


Heck, there was a HUGE debate with site management over the exact same type of thing in the Secret Societies forum. Yet the debunkers are allowed to flood this thread all they want.

It seems quite fishy to me....


Yes I'd say the moderators over in the SS forum should abide by hte T&C's of the site - anyone is allowed to post to a thread as long as they address the topic, whether they agree wit hit or not.

I notice that it is only ever het tue believers who want to censor replies - both on here and on blogs & othe forum - it is only ever chemmie blogs and forums that block people - makes me think they have something to hide!

Why the conspiracy among chemmies to censor the truth??



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Andelise
Hey, has anyone seen this entire document from the Army Research Laboratory entitled: "3-D HOlographic Display Using Strontium Barium Niobate"?

I just found it, below. Fascinating! Because I believe that Chem-Trails and Nuclear Fallout can make those chemicals, or whatever they're called...Check it out. Anyone understand the science here?

thetruthabout1111awakeningcode.blogspot.com...


First thing you must understand is that the crystals referred to in the document are the
storage medium for holographic images.

Think of the Strontium-Barium-Niobate crystals like a DVD for saving holograms.

The crystals are grown in a laboratory under controlled conditions and then the
hologram is stored in the crystals by writing the data into the crystalline structure
with two laser beams that create a temporary interference patten in the crystal lattice.

It is not a naturally occurring substance and requires pure elements combined with doping
agents in a high temperature/high pressure environment to grow crystals with the proper
optical/semiconducting properties.

It is just not possible for the elements released at Fukashima to randomly combine into pure
crystals of Strontium-Barium-Niobate and even if they did it does not represent anything
that could be used to project a holographic image such as claimed by the advocates of
"Project Blue Beam".

Bottom line: It is just not possible for Fukashima fallout to be used to project holograms.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Phage

Like all holograms, the image can only be viewed through an imaging lens, as shown in figure 2. If you are not looking though the lens, you will see nothing.


This is not quite correct.

Your eye provides the necessary imaging lens, no external lens (outside your eye) is
required to view a hologram.

As long as your eye is aligned with the beam the hologram can be seen.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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You're correct, in most types of holography no lens is required (though the viewer must look through or at the plate, limiting the field of view). But this system does seem to require the use of an imaging lens as shown in figure 2. The wording may be a bit ambiguous:

The image can be viewed by projection, via lens relays, directly into the eye or a camera.

www.dtic.mil...



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

This thread specifically asked for debunkers to leave it be. When threads on any other subject ask for that, it is enforced.


ther's been 2 efforts to censor replies on here that I know of - including this thread.

In bot hcases moderators have said quite specifically that you cannot do so.


Heck, there was a HUGE debate with site management over the exact same type of thing in the Secret Societies forum. Yet the debunkers are allowed to flood this thread all they want.

It seems quite fishy to me....


Yes I'd say the moderators over in the SS forum should abide by hte T&C's of the site - anyone is allowed to post to a thread as long as they address the topic, whether they agree wit hit or not.

I notice that it is only ever het tue believers who want to censor replies - both on here and on blogs & othe forum - it is only ever chemmie blogs and forums that block people - makes me think they have something to hide!

Why the conspiracy among chemmies to censor the truth??


I dont want to take this thread off subject, so I will only respond this one time, but you are wrong on your assertion of only two times.

This thread here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and this one here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Are examples of the same type of activities that take place in the chemtrail threads being squashed.

The first thread there is the exact same type of thread as this one, asking specifically for a certain type of reply to be censored.

Like i said, I dont want to take this thread off topic, especially since I dont know where I fall in the debate, but the disparity is odd.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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lol - well it's easy for me to see why the 2 cases are different.

There's no question about whether good cops & bad cops exist....so in a thread calling for "good cop videos" it is obvious that "bad cop videos" are OT.

However in any "chemtrail" thread the very existance of chemtrails is open to dispute (to put it mildly), so you're SOL when we debunkers come along because any debunking of chemtrials is on topic in any chemtrail thread.

that's what happens when you dicuss fantasy as if it wer real.




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