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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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G'Day ATS,

I've been taking a break from all things conspiracy but the events of today and the reports of OBL's death have moved me to post.

BBC NEWS

I have believed for a long time that Osama Bin Laden was killed several years ago, as did these folk:

BBC 2002: Bin Laden 'probably' dead CBS



The US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead.

It is thought to be the first time a senior US law-enforcement official has publicly offered an opinion on whether Bin Laden, the prime suspect believed to be behind the 11 September attacks, is dead or alive.


2002: Karzai: bin Laden 'probably' dead



KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said.

Karzai's comments came on the eve of the anniversary of the start of the U.S.-led military campaign in Afghanistan as part of the war on terrorism.


Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?



There are other doubters, too. Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's religious studies' department and the foremost Bin Laden expert, argues that the increasingly secular language in the video and audio tapes of Osama (his earliest ones are littered with references to God and the Prophet Mohammed) are inconsistent with his strict Islamic religion, Wahhabism.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



FOX: Report: Bin Laden Already Dead



Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.


The list goes on, but you get the idea.

Next, we have the conspicuous disposal and burial at sea:

What happened to Bin Laden's body?




US officials say Osama Bin Laden's body was treated with respect and buried at sea, but some Muslims argue there was no good reason for not burying it on land.


Why would they not release the pics, to try and prove once and for all that he was dead. like with the death of a previous Al Qaeda chief:

Al-Qaida chief al-Zarqawi killed GO TO THE LINK TO SEE THE PICS - WARNING GRAPHIC



Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki announced on Thursday that al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had been killed in a joint U.S. and Iraqi military raid north of Baghdad.

Jordanian-born Zarqawi is blamed by the United States for the beheading of foreign captives and suicide bombings that have maimed and killed hundreds in Iraq. He had become a figurehead for Islamist militants opposing Washington and Maliki's government.



Also, don't believe everything you see:


Gruesome photo of Osama's body a fake



New Delhi: A gruesome image, purportedly of the body of al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden who was killed in a gunbattle with US forces in Pakistan on Monday, is a fake, according to media reports.

The image was widely carried by many of the online newspapers and blogs to substantiate claims that the al Qaeda supreme was gunned down by American forces.

The image is based on a genuine photograph of bin Laden taken in 1998 by the Reuters news agency. Associated Press also released the television screen grab of the bloodied image which it later retracted. The bottom half of the fake image (right) is identical to that of the Reuters photo (left).

So far the US authorities have not released an official photo of the corpse of the man who was once the world's most wanted terrorist.



It just reeks of total BS.

From his escape, to his disappearance, to the release of "Audio recordings" and dodgy videos of lookalikes, to today's events, culminating in the convenient burial at see.

Like i say, believe that and you're an idiot! No offence!




posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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flag and star for the line
lol
remindes me of the SWEET
"I didn't come down with yesterdays rain"

maybe this is the problem
monkey see...monkey doo


U.S. Government Musters Squads of Propaganda Comment Trolls

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Here here! This is just their way of ensuring his re-election for a second term, not that votes really matter. Imagine if this never happened and he was indeed re-elected, it'd be blatantly obvious that the elections are rigged since he hasn't accomplished anything he said he would and that's a viewpoint held by a significant number of Americans.

I can see a false-flag retaliation occurring pretty soon, which will be the justification of yet more rights being taken away. This isn't good and i seriously hope people stop drinking the kool-aid before it's too late.
edit on 2-5-2011 by YouDeserveToKnow because: ugly typo.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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S/F for your efforts.

Hope you don't get "modded" for starting another OBL thread.

Anyone who believes he was killed recently has to be someone who has no clue regarding reality and how to separate truth from MSM bullpoop.

He's been dead longer than my dog has been alive.

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Killing him would seem against the normal procedures of our military. I think he is captured and taken to an underground base for questioning or he has been dead for a long time. We had saddam in a spider hole and let him out to grill him. Definitely something fishy here.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Well put together.

Btw. Originally posted last night it stated that Osama was killed sometime last week (CNN, Google News) I have no link to this, but I figured they would roll with that story as it makes more sense....then again nothing that has happened in the last 24 hours has made much sense in the media.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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I don't disagree with your statement, as I am open to all angles of a story. Keep in mind the media outlets you are quoting to support your claim are the very same that are reporting his death now.
It has been stated that the assassination took place last week, on Wednesday, and has just been released to the general public. The propaganda bull $h!t machine, is working full time to fill our heads with false hopes and a sense of security. These reports from years past were discredited w/ lack of evidence and a body. And now, supposedly, there is a body at the bottom of an ocean somewhere that belongs to Bin laden, the only difference is our "President" is confirming his death......Once again, I agree this reeks of BS.

All I can say is keep your eyes and ears open, and don't let the "REAL" news slip through the cracks. Our government is full of slick, highly intelligent individuals, who understand they can use news like this to leverage their own selfish goals. At the same token we are a small, yet growing, minority that takes it upon ourselves to question our leaders. But, when you look at the news and speak with others, people are buying into the story hook line and sinker. And thats all the GOP needs, the majority....the sheeple!

At the end of the day I hope this bastard is dead, whether it was last week or 7 years ago.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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The FLAPTARD theatrics are increasing in showmanship, but are decreasing in quality. 9/11, now there was a production. But "Killing Bin Laden"? Not even a B-rating.


I believe you are correct kiwi, this is nothing but a total media showfail, and a bad one at that. There is every reason to believe he was long dead. Which makes this Obama administration and the mass media the shill liars they are already known to be. SOS, different day. Yawn.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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i see your point.
from my perspective, though, i feel that it's too early in the election cycle for this to have any long term bump that will guarantee re-election.(if real)
but something doesn't sit right with the b.c./wedding/ubl distractions.
libya is a mess, syria is on fire, northeast japan is fxcked and they're no longer reporting, there are nle drills planned along the nmsz as well as the army corp of engineers deciding to possibly blow levies. if something goes down in the near future we'll know that this was all bullshxt...

the american in me, that wants to put back on my blinders and go back to sleep, really hopes it is all as it's being reported. but my guts tell me different.(maybe my guts are telling me i'm crazy)
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Here is the Deal "Irack Hussien Obomanation" made with the head of the Taliban and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ...

In my first term you give me Osama Bin Laden and a victory in Afghanistan....to show the world I am a great military leader.....

In my second term I will give you Israel....You can have the dome of the rock and do to the jews what Hitler did to them if you want to...it doesn't matter to me....

This is a done deal so you might as well get ready for it.....This will be WWIII....



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Way to keep on topic bud.

Fear mongering does nothing for those enlightened beings who see through the vale of falsehood that cloaks this world.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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I enjoy and agree with the OPs threads, but this time Kiwi will be proven wrong.
The OS is the truth and conspiracy theorists will be taken-down a notch.
Time will tell...



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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i see your point. from my perspective, though, i feel that it's too early in the election cycle for this to have any long term bump that will guarantee re-election.(if real) but something doesn't sit right with the b.c./wedding/ubl distractions. libya is a mess, syria is on fire, northeast japan is fxcked and they're no longer reporting, there are nle drills planned along the nmsz as well as the army corp of engineers deciding to possibly blow levies. if something goes down in the near future we'll know that this was all bullshxt... the american in me, that wants to put back on my blinders and go back to sleep, really hopes it is all as it's being reported. but my guts tell me different.(maybe my guts are telling my i'm crazy)



Good points, but i think something as large as the death of Osama Bin Laden will undoubtedly be spoken about for years to come. I don't think the timing's coincidental, there's definitely an agenda here, it was Obama's phrasing that initially sparked curiosity in me as he claimed full responsibility over and over in last nights speech. From a psychological aspect, the publicity will fade over the next few months, but come election time, will we be thinking about how Obama screwed the people and fulfilled nothing he said he would, or will he be thought of as the president responsible for taking out Americas boogie-man? Food for thought, take care mate.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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Goodbye birthers......hello deathers.

It never ends.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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I think you're on the wrong site mate.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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I believe it and I don't care if that is the minority view here at ATS. I was born quite a long time ago, thank you.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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notice how all your sources come from MSM? Why no .gov websites? did the FBI ever officially acknowledge his death until now? Have been apart of a classified agency? have you had any type of clearance to sensitive information that would affect the political decisions of a foreign nation?

I'ts not that I "believe" what has been told to me, but this is still all sensitive information that's all gone down in the last 12hrs - do I think we will get more proof on the subject, yes. Do i think that will change the minds of skeptics, no.

I am seeing alot of jumping to conclusions on the Osama death, so much that I think there are a lot of people on here that only have faith in the type of journalism that "exposes" information instead of delivering it.

My views are the that he was killed yesterday, because it is believable. All other suspicious opinions of this being staged require farfetched evidence, that literally requires multiple on-going cover-ups from the average network anchor to the president. Anyone can think of 1,000 different reasons why this would be staged and make it make sense, but because the average civilian is alienated by the military process, the political process and the media process, the answers given are always fabricated to them. Is it possible that there is a conspiracy here, yes! but do i think we are at the point of knowing the real story about anything that involves top secret projects, no, unless you worked on the project than maybe



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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i think it's funny how some of you think we who believe he was killed years ago are just "lunatic fringe" conspiracy theorists. well i say


1. no evidence of a body

2. the body was almost immediately buried at sea?


so we're all just supposed to take the president's word for it without any evidence?

if you can't even bring yourself to question a possible motive or BS MSM your world will soon be turned upside down when the proverbial crap hits the fan.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Excellent opening piece and I do agree it's not likely Osama was killed yesterday.

The Japanese and Indian Press believed he died shortly after the invasion in the big battle for Tora Bora. Further that US Special Forces knew it and took great care to seal the cave he was alleged to have died in.

One thing for sure once the original Bin Laden in the videos and tapes was definately not the same Bin Laden released in more recent videos and tapes.

They haven't done much to convince discerning people this really was Bin Laden that was killed at this compound.

For a guy 3/4ths of America waited a long time for a piece of, they sure didn't deliver.






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