Originally posted by ~Lucidity
1. Again...opinionated attitude or judgmental attitude with overtones of a moral argument?
Split the hair as finely as you want.
There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and throwing a blanket of judgment over those with
whom you disagree.
A disagreement would sound like: "I don't like the way Americans are celebrating OBL's death. I think it's sad that so many are happy and cheering
in the streets. I don't understand it, I don't agree with it and I don't like it."
But the judgmental attitude I am speaking of is: "Americans are disgusting", "They're sheep", "mindless idiots". That is not disagreement,
Lucitidy. That is negative judgment and name calling. And all I said is that I believe the judgment is misplaced. That's MY opinion.
Originally posted by Argyll
...but if you think 9/11 was an inside job, and your cheering his death, then why?
I think elements in our government knew and were complicit, but Bin Laden was the leader of the group that actually did the dirty deed.They are both
equally guilty and I would love to see Bush/Cheney pay their dues. I would cheer. They're both all happy and praising Obama. That's because they
know that killing OBL takes the heat off of them.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Now today they are out there, happy and proud that we are over there....
I think I'm starting to see the reason that the cheering is upsetting some people. It's because you are associating the cheering for the death of
OBL with other assumptions. For example, I'm glad this has happened, but that, IN NO WAY, means that I am happy and proud that we are in Iraq,
Afghanistan or Pakistan. We should not be there! Nor am I naive enough to think that this means that the war is over or the threat of terrorism is
over - or anything like that. Nor does it mean that I buy the official 9/11 story. I don't.
Nor does it mean that I am "brainwashed". The OP assumes that people who are cheering are brainwashed. It's possible that some are, but I don't
think it's a given.
Being happy that Bin Laden is dead is, for me, in no way associated with patriotism, team spirit or my love of war or country, or to our presence in
other countries. It is simply *SOME* amount of justice for the people who were affected when planes crashed into buildings full of people. But if some
people DO feel any of the above, I can't fault them. I don't live in their minds and it's not for me to dictate their reactions. I don't agree
with their display, but neither do I condemn it. They are justified, IMO. This country was badly hurt on that day and I know I was wounded. If
cheering gets people by, then let them have it. That's how I see it.
Then Obama comes around doing other stuff, and he is like " what? Oh, well.... I guess I could do something about it some time.... Oh there he is....
We didn't just happen across Bin Laden. This operation has been planned and executed over months if not years. It was one of Obama's objectives.
“...And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to
act, and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden.
I don't think we have "brought down al-Qaida" by any means. We did one thing right for the first time in a long time.
And I am happy about it.
Yes, Osama was being sheltered by Pakistan! It's pretty obvious, I think.