Either Heaven Doesn't Exist, Or Life Is Meaningless, page 3
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reply posted on 4-5-2011 @ 10:48 AM by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by WestWood



I gotta say that this is the deepest answer I got without any explanation at all.

I think that could be just it... I'm only still munching all day so I haven't taken the time to get a glimpse maybe ...?


reply posted on 4-5-2011 @ 12:43 PM by Lynda101
I remember asking the Nun, after some long passage about lots of people sitting around on thrones blowing trumpets and angels singing God's praises, what else went on in heaven? One of the many times in Religious Instruction I got the ruler. But as a kid I couldn't get any idea of what heaven would be like and as an adult , I couldn't either until I read about other Religions and as soon as I got to the concept of reincarnation, I was home.

It then struck me that if one reincarnates one isn't subject to the bribery of dear Mother church because one doesn't go to heaven.

After a while the inevitable thought cropped up, how many times do I go round and round? Do I gradually through all there incarnations make my soul lighter and slowly ascend to a spiritual heaven, then will I have to sing or play a trumpet. Do I care - they will if I have to sing!

Life means everything as a loved one or new born struggles for it. But whatever age we are, life's only meaningless if we aren't content with it and we have some power within ourselves to change whatever we wish.

I remember again at school the RI Nun drumming it into us that whatever gifts we had, we must use them to full advantage otherwise God would be angry with us if we wasted them. The guilt that piled onto a kid was terrible, My friend, loved playng the piano, suddenly she couldn't enjoy playing the piano, she had to slave to try to become a concert pianist. The pleasure of playing the piano was suddenly taken away from her and when her parent decided she had to stop her music and concentrate on her O"levels, she became quite ill.

I think its when heaven becomes more important than life our existence in our eyes becomes meaningless because it robs us of where our full focus should be on all the everyday things and pleaures that make up our lives


reply posted on 14-5-2011 @ 09:05 AM by Englishgent
reply to post by Greenize



but surely there would be no need to procreate or eat in heaven

but i suppose, heaven is heaven so it will be great!!!! and you can do what you want, forever

or we can realise this is our one life and make the most of the life we have, and not think this is a test by God to see if we are allowed into the VIP lounge

I personally don't want to live forever, i am happy making my friends and family smile and bring joy to them, and work hard to help this life be enjoyable for me as well

also Im a artist/designer, and theres nothing more wonderful than looking at your creation. knowing you created that beauty yourself.... bit like god really LOL


reply posted on 14-5-2011 @ 09:13 AM by Greenize
reply to post by Englishgent



No, no need, just the desire to do so. I don't know... I think this is one subject that could be discussed forever and never find an answer... I think if it does exsist, it will be different for everyone. My idea of heaven would be a mountainous place with waterfalls and lots of weeping willow trees and flowers, and rich thick green tufted moss everywhere... that certainly wouldn't appeal to everyone... but I'd find it heavenly!


reply posted on 14-5-2011 @ 09:24 AM by Englishgent
reply to post by Greenize



that sounds nice (not being sarcastic), but would you get bored there for eternity? is there a option in heaven to commit suicide? maybe people when they have done all they want to achieve and desire, and given all the love and wisdom, see no reason to carry on, 'the job is done, now can I go with a good legacy?'

the Egyptians believed you lived on when ever you name was spoken, i like the idea of living on in peoples memories, live forever in the stories of your life, like the film Big Fish

and I agree that people are entitled to there beliefs if it makes them happy


reply posted on 14-5-2011 @ 09:34 AM by Greenize
reply to post by Englishgent



Our minds are limited here, what if in heaven, you could think about a new place and "poof" or you could travel anywhere you wanted just by a thought... lets say I decide one day I am tired of the mountains and I want an ocean there instead and all I have to do is picture it and in an instant there it is... the one thing about people that is limitless is the imagination.. you could have a different view everyday....... crazy? Probably, but its a thought...


reply posted on 14-5-2011 @ 09:38 AM by thorazineshuffle
reply to post by Griffo



Have you seen the movie, What dreams may come? Interesting take on the afterlife.


reply posted on 14-5-2011 @ 09:45 AM by Englishgent
reply to post by Greenize



but lets be honest, heaven is a man made idea to deal with mans biggest fear... death

we have become over evolution critical thinkers and great problem solvers that have let us fly to the moon, build great cities, art, literature, and try and understand our place in the universe

but the idea of our self one day dying is hard for us to get to grips with, so we like the idea that our souls will live forever

blade runner quote:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
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