It is wrong to convict and sentence any man to death without a trial

It is wrong to convict and sentence any man to death without a trial regardless of what he or she is accussed of..

If u recall, Bush got on television the week of 911 and said he wanted Bin Laden dead or alive.. I had issue with that because the man had not been tried..and he still hasn't..he (Bin Laden) denied having anything to do with it (911) and in 2004 a tape surfaced with someone who looks like him taking responsibility but many say that was not him on the video. What if we find out in the future that he truly had nothing to do with it? Will you still feel that convicting a man without a trial is ok? Even if he is guilty its still wrong..if we allow it to happen to one man then we are all in danger of the same fate. .i have yet to see any real evidence of his guilt. Often people confess to murders they have not committed simply for glorification..it means nothing..He wasn't even the mastermind of 911..so what was his part? after 10 years I shouldn't have to ask this question..if u know..please enlighten me




and this whole burial @ sea thing is just plain fishy!!!

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Under normal circumstances yes....But in Osama's case....Oh wait, he was never proven guilty of anything....Crap we just murdered someone for no reason.....Oh well from Obama's mouth, the world is a better place without him. Which I could actually say about a lot of politicians but I can't just go out and kill them and use that as my excuse!! Where do we get off with this crap???

He was not American, so therefore our laws do not apply to him and has no rights as far as the American Constitution is concerned. Good-bye and good riddance.

Originally posted by 13Godslivinglight
What if we find out in the future that he truly had nothing to do with it? Will you still feel that convicting a man without a trial is ok? Even if he is guilty its still wrong..if we allow it to happen to one man then we are all in danger of the same fate. .

[color=gold] Karma, you possess a clear eye or 3

Be well

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He is, err was the head of Al Qaeda, and he apparently 'resisted'... Now he's worm food... To paraphrase Bette Davis, my mother always said to speak good of the dead... He's dead. Good!!!

ALLAH ACKBAR!!!

Now let the "The Bastard is finally dead!" festivities continue...

Any trial would have been a circus.

2nd line.

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This kind of thinking, is why we lose wars, and why wars take so long now a days...
If we didn't have to fight PC wars, most of these conflicts would be over by now. In the grand scheme of things, so what if, he didn't get a trial...

If they could have taken him alive, then they would have. Just as with any other raid, if the suspect shoots, they can expect return fire. I have no problem with OBL's murder. Forget 9/11 (for those that don't believe OBL was responsible). This maniac was responsible for many other deaths that he has openly admitted to. Justice was served for someone somewhere. If OBL was so innocent, then he shouldn't have had any hesitations about standing trial to face the allegations. Alas, he hid like a guilty, he ran his mouth like a guilt and, ultimately, he went out in a gun fight like a guilty.

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He is/was human and human rights are above all else.. we cannot be Hippocrates when on foreign soil..when people come here illegally they have no rights as Americans but they still have human rights

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Being ranked the #1 most wanted person on Earth, I doubt even if he was innocent he could ever prove that....I would hide also, even if I was innocent....How could you win any trial guilty or not???

Originally posted by Skewed
He was not American, so therefore our laws do not apply to him and has no rights as far as the American Constitution is concerned. Good-bye and good riddance.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You're right. Only Americans are human, so only Americans have rights.

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He had already been convicted..what chance would he of had if an innocent man.. according to you its ok to put OJ Simpson away for life for that vegas robbery just because u believe he killed Nicole (which he prob did but I wasnt there so I cant place judgement) this type of attitude is very draconian and uncivilized.. you are no better than the so called savages you accuse

Originally posted by 13Godslivinglight
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He is/was human and human rights are above all else.. we cannot be hippocrates when on foreign soil..when peole come here illegally they have no rights as Americans but they still have human rights

In this particular case, I could care less about this persons human rights, he deserved what we got. What about the human rights of others Osama violated, no one seems to care about that. You passivists kill me with this turn the other cheek crap. I am just jealous that I did not get to pull the trigger myself.

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we will remember that when the Obama antichrist takes your rights away

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The rights in the Constitution, according to the founding fathers, are GOD GIVEN and therefore apply to EVERY person in this world.

Trial or no trial, the result would have been the same: a dead Osama Bin Laden.

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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."

PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.



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Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
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Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
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Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
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Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
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Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
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Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
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Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
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Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
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Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
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Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
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Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
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Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
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Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
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Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
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Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
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Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
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Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
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Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
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Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
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Article 22.

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
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Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
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Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
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Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
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Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
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Article 27.

(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
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Article 28.

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
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Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
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Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.



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Originally posted by 13Godslivinglight
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

He had already been convicted..what chance would he of had if an innocent man.. according to you its ok to put OJ Simpson away for life for that vegas robbery just because u believe he killed Nicole (which he prob did but I wasnt there so I cant place judgement) this type of attitude is very draconian and uncivilized.. you are no better than the so called savages you accuse

You are right...they should have simply knocked on the door and kindly asked OBL to turn himself in.

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He is not a citizen.. he is a enemy combatant... He doesn't get the same rights... it is as simple as that...
Obama isn't the Anti-Christ, he is a loser...

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I am in no way a pacifist.. If i had the power I would find out where the 300 folks who run the world have their annual meeting and I would blow it up without question...then again we have tons of evidence against them..its less about a trial and all about evidence my friend

Originally posted by 13Godslivinglight
If i had the power I would find out where the 300 folks who run the world have their annual meeting and I would blow it up without question.

What? without a trial? Let me quote you from above:

type of attitude is very draconian and uncivilized.. you are no better than the so called savages you accuse