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so we're definitely not allies
Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me, then you are my enemy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Doublemint
An atheist is not an individual who believes not, an atheist is a person who does not believe...so there's no stubbornness involved.
Originally posted by Doublemint
an atheist with out any knowledge of god would be able to say I don't believe, but they would not say that because they have no knowledge of what they are not believeing in. so an atheist is an individual who believes not, because an atheist is a person who has knowledge of god.
Originally posted by Doublemint
an atheist with out any knowledge of god would be able to say I don't believe, but they would not say that because they have no knowledge of what they are not believeing in. so an atheist is an individual who believes not, because an atheist is a person who has knowledge of god.
Originally posted by Doublemint
He was saying an atheist is not an individual that believes not. I was saying that an atheist is an idividual who believes not, because they have knowledge of what they are not believing. To simply not believe as what I understood him to say would require you to have no knowledge of what you are not believing in, therefore you would have no reason to not believe.
Originally posted by Shamatt
I give up.
You thibnk you know it all. You don't.
So go ahead, tell me about all my faults.
So you sit back and list all the attacks poeple make on you, And ignore all the attacks you make on people.
Whay not try and exlain why you are not attacking when you say the things you say. The things I outlined in my last post for example.
You are so wrong on so many levls mate.
Grow up and leave some of your arrogance behind you.
Learn to see the shades of grey.
Learn something about the subtlety of the English language,
and learnsome compassion.
I am now going to unsubscribe, so any reply will not be read.
Have fun twisting the truth and fabricating your strange reality.
And 1 word of advice I hope you do take. Print out this thread,, or save it to disk. Come back to it in say 10 - 15 years and re-read it. I GARUNTEE you will be embarrased.
Originally posted by bsbray11
If you're Christian you're also atheist.
If you refer me to a dictionary, or any other source, that's a logical fallacy! You have to prove what the words mean scientifically, to disprove me!
There, looks like a stalemate, OP. That's always the trouble when you reject the commonly-accepted definitions of words, and then you demand to be proven wrong in your rejection of these definitions.
I know you think you are different for nonsense reasons x, y and z, ad infinitum per your emotional needs, but actually your argument is exactly as my parody above.
Maybe if you make your response a single huge paragraph of convoluted rhetoric, someone will give you the benefit of a doubt that your argument actually makes more sense than this.
I saw several pages ago that there was no arguing with the OP once he outright rejected a dictionary definition of the word "agnostic" as a logical fallacy.
Obviously if the dictionary itself is an argument from authority, then so must be any other authority that can be cited as to what a word means.
Though of course, rather than scientifically proving the dictionary definition wrong (see how stupid this whole non-issue really is?) he demands the burden of proof also be immediately shifted onto others disproving his claim before he has to prove it. Which is classic.
Really this thread shows an atheist rejecting the idea of agnosticism by trying to force it to mean the same thing as atheist. The dictionary disagrees, but of course that just raises the whole retarded can of worms I describe above.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Oh no, there's a gang of straw men approaching.
Originally posted by bsbray11
If you're Christian you're also atheist.
Straw man 1.
Not really. Atheists believe in no deities, Christians believe in one deity.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...no, again you're throwing out a straw man. I'm asking for reasonable arguments not scientific proofs.
I'm asking for you to address what I actually argued in favor of the ideas presented rather than just say "Nope, disagrees with the dictionary".
So, can you show me the flaw in my reasoning?
that atheism and Christianity are really the same thing
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
that atheism and Christianity are really the same thing
After all that? Lmao.
Give up now madness
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
So you don't know if you don't know? I'm sorry, but atheists don't claim that there isn't a deity, they merely don't believe. This has been gone over many times. Atheists simply don't believe, though some do go the further step of making the positive claim in no deities.
So using madness's rules against dictionaries and other sources...
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
I provided an argument to back up my claims, you have done nothing of the sort.
Why should I bother to address your baseless argument when you're not even bothering to address my arguments one bit?