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Online Entrapment vs Pre-Crime Enforcement

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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Someone I know who trolls craigslist personals just sent me an email about something going down there. Someone making the same posts in cities all over the U.S. that might possibly be targeting sexual predators or preying on unsuspecting geek boys who can't find a date anywhere else. Check the google search results for these posts. There have been many of the same all this month.

www.google.com...

They all contain images of nude females that appear to be much younger than the 30 something they claim in their ads. I can provide a screenshot but it doesn't seem appropriate and I'm not sure of the rules pertaining to nudity.

You might question why I posted this here, so I will explain. Would this be considered entrapment if it were targeted at sexual predators or pedophiles? Why do I care about pedophiles or sexual predators? I don't. Though I wonder if this is the sort of thing that might one day fall under pre-crime. Some guy sitting in his home not breaking any particular laws. Maybe he is thinking about it. Should you be punished for thinking about doing something wrong?




posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Whether it's entrapment or not, it doesn't stop law enforcement from doing it, even if they know the cases will be dropped in court.

When they do stings, like prostitution for example, the perps are hardly ever prosecuted because it's entrapment. The cases are just dropped.

The cops don't care because it's not what they were doing it for. They get to take the perps photograph, and information, for their database. The police now know who you are.

Most people don't realise police collect information on every one they can in the area they patrol. It helps them in investigations of future crimes, especially if a person is connected to certain activities like sexual crimes.



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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ive just clicked a few of them and they seem to be dead links


on a side note charlie veitch a member of the love police was arrested along with 100+ people before the royal wedding for pre-crimes

www.youtube.com...

i dont know how to embed the video



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by NE1911
Should you be punished for thinking about doing something wrong?


Absolutely not. Man, I can't think of anyone I know who hasn't spoken about wanting wring someone's neck. We'd all be locked up.

Until a crime has been committed, no crime has been committed.



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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That's a good point and I can't say I oppose compiling information if law enforcement can be trusted. Unfortunately, corruption exists in all faces of the American judicial system and some laws are unjust. I know there have been people in Dallas who have been stung trying to buy marijuana through contacts made on craigslist. I also know that solicitation of a minor has been used against people in Dallas County, particularly one man who flew for the Indian Navy and was in the process of opening a flight school here after 911, when the charges were made up by law enforcement as an attack on their character.

So who's watching the watchers?


Originally posted by igotttaknow
ive just clicked a few of them and they seem to be dead links


on a side note charlie veitch a member of the love police was arrested along with 100+ people before the royal wedding for pre-crimes



Yeah, I thought those arrests were a hoax at first when I couldn't find a legitimate source to confirm the arrests. I didn't want to believe that law enforcement could get away with pre-crime arrests. It's still a little overwhelming.


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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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It is not entrapment. If someone chooses to click on a link or act on the ad - that is of their own choice. Nobody made them do it. They were obviously seeking it in the first place.

It would be entrapment if the person was induced by LE to do something they never would have done on their own.
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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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edit on 30-4-2011 by igotttaknow because: there isnt a delete button and i miss read what was said



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Sounds like "MINORITY REPORT". Can you prove before they commited the crime they are going to commit the crime? In most cases this works because they are not enforcing the fringe, they are enforcing the fact that these people are wanting to go through with the act, enter "TO CATCH A PREDATOR". Most of these cases come down to intent and they are guilty.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by NE1911
Someone I know who trolls craigslist personals just sent me an email about something going down there. Someone making the same posts in cities all over the U.S. that might possibly be targeting sexual predators or preying on unsuspecting geek boys who can't find a date anywhere else. Check the google search results for these posts. There have been many of the same all this month.

www.google.com...

They all contain images of nude females that appear to be much younger than the 30 something they claim in their ads. I can provide a screenshot but it doesn't seem appropriate and I'm not sure of the rules pertaining to nudity.

You might question why I posted this here, so I will explain. Would this be considered entrapment if it were targeted at sexual predators or pedophiles? Why do I care about pedophiles or sexual predators? I don't. Though I wonder if this is the sort of thing that might one day fall under pre-crime. Some guy sitting in his home not breaking any particular laws. Maybe he is thinking about it. Should you be punished for thinking about doing something wrong?


Go to a website/service that requires posters to be over 18.

If an underage person gets on pretending to be over 18 then you can say ToS prohibits underage posters/members to our ADULT forum/website/personals site.

What excuse do they have then? What the judge convicts you of not being a telepath?



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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the 30 thing doesn't realy count.My partner at work can only have a drink at 2 places locally because the others say her ID is fake and one even took it away and she had to call the police to get it back.
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Craigslist personals is a great big spam section. I doubt this is entrapment of any kind. Chances are you would contact the poster who would then ask to speak to you on Yahoo or some type of instant messenger service. Then the poster will send you to a web site to speak on cam (for free of course if you just enter your credit card information)



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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That's kinda sad. I haven't had much experience with the personals section, but I've heard a few stories this year of people getting busted for buying pot advertised in 420 friendly ads. I can say, though, that I've had much better luck selling guitar gear on the local list than online auction sites. I know there are plenty of scammers, but wasn't aware of the spammers like that. That makes more sense than law enforcement. Makes me wonder if the marijuana sting stories are real. One stoner I particularly trust tells a pretty convincing tale, but he's unusually paranoid lately.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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I would not be shocked at all if his 420 story is true.

I have some experience using Craigslist. I have purchased many things from there as well as sold a few things. It does have some very good legit uses. However, with the good comes the bad. As long as Craigslist has a personals section, it will remain a market for cam sites and porno sites to continue to find new customers.



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