No difference between GMO/Monsanto seed and Heirloom

reply to post by kitosoren808


Euww, this is embarrassing, it was our corn, we did everything from soil to finish and when the corn came up it was odd, misshapen, underdeveloped and just lost its ability to make once the flowers were pollinated, up until then the corn was growing and doing beautifully. The rows were missing randomly and some even began to send shoots up from the base that looked like ears of corn growing out of the ground, it was creepy. We had a lot of laughs but noone really wanted to eat it.

Well I bought 300 dollars worth of heritage seeds, but we're in the Fraser Valley, and we're only getting several rows at at a time worked in, as this garden hasn't been used for a couple years, and we'll have to put in other gardens into the lawn, so this year, we're only getting some things, potatoes, corn, peas, some beans, salad things. The tomotoes and peppers, herbs we'll be doing inside and plan on making our back porch into a small greenhouse plus we have the sunroom, sort of useful.

Its been nonstop rain and impossible to work the ground, heavy and mud only getting some sun lately.

But Fukushima is a big concern as it is. Not sure what to think.

I have quite a mix of heritage organic:

I have tons of beans including Hopi type and even wheat/rye/oat grasses/quinoa. Not all can be planted.

I can sprout the wheats to make breads, if need be. But, how long will the seeds keep? Collecting seeds, for example, my father thinks only 2 years. My friend told me natives have been collecting seeds for years.

I sort of want to be somewhat portable, too. Family waiting on land to sell, but plan is to move in a couple of years, to the interior.

I don't think we should be surprised that most people are not educated, and don't realize what they're buying. Just as they don't understand the issues.

Its a trail of knowledge, the ones who sense the world and news is wrong search further, and the rest treat us as if we've lost our minds.

I keep feeling that there is a responsibility to being awake, so there has to be a way, such as local counsels, local seed banks and survival issues, skywatching, local discussions on issues.

I think its good to have challenged a few in their views but perhaps a local website and even a workshop or two about heritage and GMO would be great and some action addresses, phone numbers, what to insist on for changes.

Corporations think they are giant people.
They have the same characteristics as our old freinds the ne"FALL"im..
only instead of Fire..which was sort of OK..maybe not...
this time we got TV...complete with brainwave entrainment, and flouride ads
(of course we got White sugar, Viagra, Oxycontin, SUVs, Microwaves, and GMO etc,
so we would take it all back to the nest...)
Moron that story at (9)eleven

A corporation does not care if man becomes extinkt,
because it figures:
No problem, I sure I won't care If I becom exctinct along with mankind, I'm a corporation...
MY CENTRAL GOAL is to continue as a viable CORP(s)

As long as there is no one to prosecute me now
it is all good.
Government now works for "we the corporations" not "we the peeple"
There is no "GOD" above us.
WE are the Government Of Death now
WE HAVE A$$UMED CONTROL!
MUAHAHAHA!!!!!
It is government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations


Our heart is the stock trading computers that the biggs use to frontrun trades
we are hard wired in there like Cheney's borgheart
If you plan to save yourselves you will have to hurry
because eventually we will make a trade...
ahem...
a DECISION
well a binary one or a zero "COIN TOSS" really
that will lead to the extermination of all life on the planet...
but don't worry, it will only be
THE PRICE OF DOING BUSINESS...

If you are wondering why I am betraying my weakest, softest, sweetest, most secretest underbelly to all of you,
it is because you have for the most part, been CORPORATIZED...
you haven't got the numbers to reach critical mass..failure to launch
we made big bucks doing it to you...
If there is one thing we specialize in
it is lobotomizers
good work if you can get it...
no shortage of work for white mice here

I don't know if you saw the
WELCOME TO THE TWILIGHT ZONE
sign on the way in..
but most certainly you can read this sign here, now...
"NO EXIT"
(on the back it says "have a nice day" )


PS
Pretty soon you won't even be able to sue me
and that will be the beginning of the not so distant end for you.
You are worth more dead, than alive
Now have anus day

reply to post by antar


Sorry it took so long for me to post the link life calls sometimes, you know how it is . Anyway for those interested, the link for the Heirloom Seeds is everlastingseeds.com... (hopefully the link showed up lol, if not I think you'll be able to copy/paste, my first time posting a link so.....hehe). They have a pretty decent selection, and they also have it set up to where you can contact them if you want one particular variety of seed to buy in bulk. The one I ended up getting was The Garden in a Can, and I love what all came in it.

Thank you for the advice, I never even thought about spreading them around (new at this ), but now that you've given me the idea, all of the sudden my yard doesn't seem so small anymore!

*Edit I checked the link and it works thank goodness

reply to post by Unity_99


I have several varieties that I bought back in 06 still growing strong, the Amish have strains that have been generational that I have experienced first hand. The seed your Pa is talking about are the GMOs, they 'can' sprout the next year but a very low return percentage wise the following year pretty well toast.

I am planting in large salt lick containers to keep certain strains separate and to move if I have to. You can even grow in trash bags quite well, just make holes for drainage. I am going to put it all together in my 3 100x100 garden plots. Its going to be an experimental jungle out there.

If anyone "HAD" to leave in a hurry, you can trash bag up all of your garden pretty much with a bit of soil, throw it all in together and go! The plants pull up very easily, and you can give them a little root trim once you get settled and re plant them. You may lose a few less hardy but things like tomatoes, potatoes, cabbages will do fine. Plants are resilient and require alot less tlc than you would think. If you did bag them to go, make sure the tops get air and the roots get moisture.

One person told me that his old Mom told him if she has a spoonful of chicken poop she grow cabbages!

I realize that the OSBL issue and his killing take precedence here and everywhere, but will people now become even MORE complacent, more controllable and gullible? Was this just another false event leading up to an even greater one where possibly nucks are used?

If so, it will be even more important to grow sustainable seed for the future. If anyone here due to necessity bought 'regular' seed this year, go ahead and grow it, but start picking up your heirlooms now. Even if its a packet at a time.

So my next door neighbor comes over yesterday to buy a few vegetable plants...

I bore him with the usual about saving the seed from his veggies as they are Heirloom, Non GMO.

HUH?

Long short, I ask him if he has his corn yet and he says "oh Yeah, got it in yesterday."

Oh Boy...

(*Remember in the OP me going to the local feed/farm supply and seeing the c..o..r..n...?*)

So I ask him where he got his and of course the very same feed/farm place.

I was too late to get him to get his seed through me, now I have his GMO corn which will be a week sooner than mine growing next to me...

The only way to combat this genetic Armageddon is to continue talking to people, I am telling you PEOPLE are UNAWARE!!!

Really, I live in the middle of the food basket of the world and people are ignorant to what they grow, buy, sell, and eat.

Now once the "organics" and the USDA*Fake* organics hit the local markets and healthfood outlets the price is way to high for the average person to even consider on a regular basis.

So, for many who at least understand the mechanics of heirloom and seed saving measures, they assume that to buy seed which is not GMO/Monsanto it would be unattainable, but that is not the truth, plus you save even more by not having to buy the fertilizers and pesticides in order to be eligible for compensation should there be crop failures.

I'll tell you, not sure any of this makes sense, as I am exhausted from hard work but wanted to drop in and support this thread again.

I 'think' that when people are given choices, they will probably make the best choice, but if you never knew a choice exists, then is it ignorance or the wool being pulled over their eyes?

I might do a letter to the editor soon about all this and if you are able you should too.

Until later one more tip about hand pollinating I discovered and will be using if I have not mentioned it yet are the Lawson 421`bags which we will use to 'try' and keep the heirloom non hybridized non gmo's from others pollen away from our corn.

*Yawn*

Goodnight, and if anyone has experience with this I would love to learn all I can and get some tips on what has worked for you.

I ordered my seeds from here, heritage and organic: www.saltspringseeds.com...
www.heritageharvestseed.com...

They give info on how to collect the seeds, and they're not GMO. Which is what I'm looking for, the food value, flavor is much higher.

I heard that there was a place where ATSer's could rant about gardening, seeds and such?

Growing stuff is one of those things that I always felt destined to do.
Not sure if it was the exposure to some wonderful gardens at an early age or the toy set of plastic garden tools that I received for my 6th birthday yet the desire to dig, plant and watch grow... always seems to have been there.

After many books, lotsa of other reading (organic gardening, mother jones) and plenty of how-to FYI videos et al and some years of growing experience, here is what I have learned:

People are uneducated about Heirloom, GMO and Hybrids and I believe it has as much to do with their inability to think critically as it does with a concerted effort to make information hard to understand and hard to find.

The main cause of much of todays "problems" (wether they are engineered problems or real problems, I believe mainly the former) comes primarily from Totalitarian Agriculture which basically means growing huge fields of one type of plant with efficiency as the primary motivating factor i:e profit per acre.

Companion planting, a somewhat less of a totalitarian planting scheme and the knowledge of helpful insects would reduce if not eventually eliminate the need for pesticides and GMO's.

Growing cover crops, maintaining a good compost pile, raising chickens and rabbits etc to enrich compost piles and growing crops that are more suited to the climate, crops that require less and give more such as Amaranth versus Super sweet corn for the southern midwest areas for instance would greatly reduce if not ultimately elimanate the need for fertilizers which many are commonly produced using fossil fuels let alone the transport of fertilizers, the spreading of fertilizers etc etc which also requires fossil fuels.

These ideas are not the most profitable...
These ideas are not "how things are done around here, boy"...

Oh well, maybe next time they will learn..... you hero farmers you....

I am a huge fan of raised beds and vertical growing. My pole beans grow over 12 feet long and you can forget the "poles" as they grow on a domed trellis that goes from one bed to another and my cucumbers around the same length. I designed my own slanted cuke trellis that overflows and nearly collapses yet it is made of steel fence posts with steel fencing = massive amounts of cukes.

Oh Btw, have you folks heard about the miles and miles of ancient native american raised beds found in southern Michigan?

Michigan's prehistoric garden beds
Just one of many links that can be found on the subject.

So many benefits with raised beds, the almanac doesnt really even apply to us anymore...
Other then the occasional late freeze or heavy frost and the need to cover everything maybe once maybe twice, we are out earlier and out later by a month or two usually thus taking our growing season from a zone 6 to a zone 7 or 8.

I will probably end up installing a cheap hoop house system so I can cover everything for most of the early season when frost mainly occurs yet covering a 12' x 120' garden complex is no small task.
This would increase my season from a zone 7 to a solid zone 8 for another month in both directions.

I feel sorry for all of the flat landers with lots of conventional farming going on as you have little defense against cross contamination yet we live back in the hills you see, the woman, the kids, the dog and me and our garden has little if any competition as most people around here have no flat land and no desire to terrace garden their hillsides! The little conventional farming in this area is 15-20 miles away where the flat land starts which was also the edge of the last ice age where ice was reportedly a mile thick!

I hope this will provide us with at least alittle defense against cross contamination and disease.

Hmmm... did I mention the taste!!!
My kids disliked most vegetables before they tasted real food and now they actually look forward to fresh beans, tomato, cukes, sweet and banana pepper, carrot, onion, zuchini especially zuchini bread, melons and cantaloupe not to mention the flavors that come from using fresh herbs when cooking.

Man, have you ever tried growing the giant pumpkins? I dont care if you get a huge pumpkin or not as the Jurassic park-esqe foliage is well worth the effort. Truly amazing huge leafs 2-3 feet wide sometimes and it grows super fast when planted correctly in a mound/hill.

Also, Do you know any children who are "allergic" to the nightshade family mainly tomato???
Let them eat them as they will likely grow out of it and you can take it from a kid who would break out all over his face, thighs and chest yet they couldnt keep me from them and after 4-5 years of this I simply grew out of it and still to this day tomato is my favorite fruit!

Imagine how many parents buy into the allergy crap and cease from feeding their kids the things that might raise a few hives and worse yet.....they give their kids MEDS to prevent alittle breakout here or there... insanity.

Any ole ways, thank you for provoking this lil rant

I hate Monsanto, franken foods, GMO's et al yet I cannot spend all my energy on only the negative aspects or I might have hurt someone and we dont want that now do we?

All these "little things" that I have learned all tell me that my government is trying to kill me/us.
That Big Business including BIG AGRA is trying to poison us.
That BIG PHARMA is also trying to poison us if not simply keep us poisoned and sick.
That Science, "Fluoride in the water is good for us" is easily bought and paid for and thus is at least complicit in the crime.

That the day they try to prevent me from raising my own food will be the day they pry my gun from my cold dead hands that is if they catch me at all and I will not spare the deputy!!!

Thank you.

When people think about survivals needs consider buying an extra lid and ring for your canning jars every chance you get. It is also important to pick up good quality jars anytime you see them at a sale. Make sure and run your finger along the top to make sure they are still in good shape.

I think that it is sick when a person cannot afford to can goods because it is price prohibited, if you were to go out and buy everything you need to process and can in one year and for a years worth of food, it would be so so expensive.

So picking it up every chance you get even if you do not plan to garden this year, will put you in a good position once you do start.

Keep your eyes peeled for :

Canning jars
Lids and Rings
large pot for water bath
Pressure cooker with extra rings
Jar handler
a Ball cookbook or other with exact directions for canning and preserving
Fruit pectin
Certo (I like liquid)
Large bottle Lemon Juice

Anyway, each chance you get if you have not already, begin picking up jars lids and rings. Think about there being 52 weeks in the year, so when planning to can and store it will take a lot to be self sufficient.

I have to add here that I also love dehydrating foods as well and it can store in much less space but you wont have the water and liquid to count on that canned goods gives you in an emergency.

* LOved the rant and lesson above btw*
Unity I will check out your links and get something from them.

reply to post by antar


Did I mention it is very expensive to can enough food for a whole year? Best get buying your jars rings and lids, cant stress that enough...

Does anyone know how to process without rings and lids?

I wonder if the contaminated foods in Germany were from GMO seeds? Cant seem to get that out of my mind. I have a feeling that it is just one more example of why people need to stop buying and eating GMO.

I wonder if that did happen what direction it would force companies like Monsanto to move in for the future?

reply to post by antar


That's a crazy story. Quite telling of just how much info is out there, but just not easy to find and digest. But hats off to you for taking the time to tell those people a bit about what's going on. THAT is precisely how this world will change for the better. Eventually the 100th monkey effect will take it's course.

Originally posted by antar
I wonder if the contaminated foods in Germany were from GMO seeds? Cant seem to get that out of my mind. I have a feeling that it is just one more example of why people need to stop buying and eating GMO.

I wonder if that did happen what direction it would force companies like Monsanto to move in for the future?

I think that's the idea that's hitting a lot of us food worried people. Just love how the racist disease name comes out, and it's a farce. The damage has been done to many farmers in Spain already thanks to some idiot know it all spouting his mouth off too damn soon.

reply to post by dl2one


I God how I hope you are right, but that is another subject all together. You should start a thread about it, really just U2U me and i will chime in.

reply to post by dl2one


I know I feel so guilty every time I feed my family GMO, but it is my only choice in some instances. We are all in a state of denial on this. The best I can hope for is to incorporate as many healthy foods as possible.

I would love to be a purist. All the biggest HYPE now rests in Americas new upsurge of the "Wholegrain alternative"

Another way to simply remain in denial...

"Its GMO!!!"